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Under development at User:Lomn/Day beacon Lomn | Talk 21:13:17, 2005-08-16 (UTC)

I don't know who wrote the part on regions A and B but in fact the two systems do not differ in numbering of the beacons. As you can see here, region A does use odd numbered green beacons and bouys. Also that was what I learned when I made my yachting patent. The only difference between the lateral markings of A and B is the position relative to your vessel (vessels sailing into the harbour in region A do have the red markings on their port side!) and the shape of the markings. De728631 (talk) 01:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: for more info, see Lateral mark. De728631 (talk) 02:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lateral Mark[edit]

The correct term for this is Lateral Mark, and thus this article should be merged with Lateral mark. --Skippern (talk) 19:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the green vs red content, as Lateral mark dealt with it better. Wongm (talk) 07:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree that the whole subject of navigational aids needs a major rewrite and consolidation of fragmented articles, be careful of terminology. "Lateral mark" is used in European English, but rarely in the United States. The terms "day beacon", "daymark", or "dayboard" are used in the United States. In the USCG Light Lists (available here), the only (and infrequent) use of "lateral mark" is as a term to include both daymarks and buoys. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 13:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictions about numbering and colour schemes[edit]

The article currently contains the following statement:

"The combination of colours and shapes is however exactly opposite in the two regions. This principle ensures that a vessel which leaves a port in one region and later approaches a harbour in the other one, will always have the same colour with the same style of numbering on its sides along its course."

This contradicts the lateral mark article, which states that, when the IALA standardized lateral marks in 1980, the old System A colour coding was retained in Region A and the old System B colour coding was retained in Region B for historical reasons. The artcle also contradicts itself regarding the numbering. According to an earlier part of the same article, while facing a harbour from open water, even-numbered beacons are supposed to be on the starboard side and odd-numbered becacons are supposed to be on the port side regardless of region, which means that a ship leaving harbour in any region will have odd-numbered beacons on the starboard side and even-numbered becaons on the port side. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Day beacons other than lateral marks[edit]

I do not know the terminology in English well enough, but I am very surprised about the section General placement. Paired cardinal marks are often used to mark a hazard, so suggesting vessels should pass between paired day beacons is really dangerous.

Also "non-standard beacons such as those neither red nor green" is puzzling: cardinal marks are often used here in Finland, as are sea cairns, leading line beacons, radar marks, beacon towers and what have you. Which of those (unlighted marks) are day beacons? Which ones are non-standard? By what standard?

--LPfi (talk) 20:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You've got a point there, the cardinal part was completely missing and the lateral section was really unclear, but it seems that in North America (USA and Canada), cardinal marks are not counted among day beacons at all. And someone said above that UK English doesn't even use the term. Anyhow, I've added a part on cardinal marks. As to the definition of a day beacon, any experts may correct me but all I get from sources like [1], is that it's a fixed mark with a distinctive top sign, so not floating like a buoy. But any navigational mark installed on land is apparently called a daymark though in English, that'd be a Tunnusmajakka in Finnish. So maybe "day beacon" is a specific American term for fixed lateral markings with a board sign? I've even found a Canadian boating website that counts the day boards of range lights among the day beacons, so it gets even more confusing. De728631 (talk) 22:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
INT 1 Q 110: Beacon tower without topmark
The Finnish word tunnusmajakka would mean Beacon tower in English. That kind of navigational aid would be marked on nautical charts by INT 1 symbol Q 110 or Q 111. --Vellari (talk) 18:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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