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The name Kuren Smerti (Clan of Death) is ambiguous[edit]

This article on David Petrovsky and the article on Berdychiv are ambiguous when assigning responsibility for the actual and planned but thwarted pogroms in Berdychiv. There were at least two Cossack military units called Kuren Smerti (Ukrainian: курінь смерті) that perpetrated pogroms in Ukraine in 1919.

In The Slaughter of the Jews in the Ukraine in 1919^[1], Elias Heifetz refers in several places to "Clans of Death" (plural). In Gendered Violence: Jewish Women in the Pogroms of 1917 to 1921^[2], Irina Astashkevich attributes the actual pogrom in Berdychiv in January 1919 to a Clan of Death under the command of ataman Nikolay Palienkov (only his last name is given by Astashkevich on pages 13 and 58, but the index gives his first name as Nikolay on page 146).

It thus at least seems clear that the actual pogrom in January 1919 was committed by Palienkov's Kuren Smerti. However, the Wikipedia article on Berdychiv attributes responsibility for a planned pogrom (which mayor David Petrovsky thwarted) to a Kuren Smerti, and it's unclear which kuren this was. There was at least one other Kuren Smerti (i.e., Червоний курінь смерті), which the Ukrainian version of Wikipedia identifies as having been under the command of ataman Evgen Angel (отаман Євген Ангел). It's unclear from Heifetz whether there were more than two kurens called Kuren Smerti.

I also wonder whether the author of the relevant sentence in the article on Berdychiv got confused and attribruted the planned but thwarted pogrom to a Kuren Smerti by mistake after having read in this article about David Petrovsky that assigned responsibility for the actual pogrom to a Kuren Smerti. The sources that were referenced in those contexts might resolve that question, but I don't have access to those sources.^[3],^[4]

If someone else is able to solve this puzzle, I think it would be best for this article on David Petrovsky and the article on Berdychiv to to both mention both events (the actual pogrom that nearly killed Petrovsky's family, and his success in preventing the subsequent planned pogrom). Both articles should use identical wording to attribute responsibility for the actual and planned pogroms unambiguously (either by giving a more specific unit name than Kuren Smerti, or by mentioning the commander's or commanders' name(s) in relation to both events).

Ps8v9 (talk) 01:13, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

^ Heifetz, Elias. The Slaughter of the Jews in the Ukraine in 1919. Thomas Seltzer, 1921, pp. 23,28,34–37.
^ Astashkevich, Irina. Gendered Violence: Jewish Women in the Pogroms of 1917 to 1921. Academic Studies Press, 2018, pp. 13,58,146.
^ Joshua Meyers, “A Portrait of Transition: From the Bund to Bolshevism in the Russian Revolution,” Jewish Social Studies: History, Culture, Society n.s. 24, no. 2 (Winter 2019): 107–134. Copyright © 2019 The Trustees of Indiana University. doi: 10.2979/jewisocistud.24.2.09
^ Archive of Jewish History, Volume 8, p.p. 156-177 (Rosspen, Moscow, 2016)

[1] Heifetz, Elias. The Slaughter of the Jews in the Ukraine in 1919. Thomas Seltzer, 1921, pp. 23,28,34–37.

[2] Astashkevich, Irina. Gendered Violence: Jewish Women in the Pogroms of 1917 to 1921. Academic Studies Press, 2018, pp. 13,58,146.

[3] Joshua Meyers, “A Portrait of Transition: From the Bund to Bolshevism in the Russian Revolution,” Jewish Social Studies: History, Culture, Society n.s. 24, no. 2 (Winter 2019): 107–134. Copyright © 2019 The Trustees of Indiana University. doi: 10.2979/jewisocistud.24.2.09

[4] Archive of Jewish History, Volume 8, p.p. 156-177 (Rosspen, Moscow, 2016)

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