Talk:Dataspaces

Recent changes

We have tried to modify the content of the article. It is not possible because when modifying it, the original appears again. We think it is necessary to update the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saragommezz (talk • contribs)

Your changes are being reverted because you are removing the existing, properly sourced content and replacing it with new stuff that is not reliably sourced. - MrOllie (talk) 14:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

We are using official sources of updated information. We only want to update the existing information because the current one is outdated Saragommezz (talk) 14:39, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

You're using a collection of industry white papers and primary government sources, which are both of lower quality than the peer-reviewed, secondary sources in the current version of the article. - MrOllie (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

The current references are very outdated and date from 2005 to 2013, we believe that its update is necessary Saragommezz (talk) 15:36, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Then I suggest you rewrite it based on whatever newer, peer-reviewed articles are available. But marketing materials like industry whitepapers are really not useful sources. MrOllie (talk) 15:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

You need to write something based on reliable, secondary sources. Waiting a month and making the same edit again will not help. MrOllie (talk) 12:02, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

"Common european dataspaces" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Common european dataspaces and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 11#Common european dataspaces until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

European Data Spaces

The EU is currently investing heavily into Data Spaces, seeing them as a key enabler for industry digitalization.

• The following associations are involved: BDVA, IDSA (started this line of work in 2014), GAIA-X, ADRA, DSBA
• There's a lot of serious work being done, both technical (https://internationaldataspaces.org/publications/ids-ram/), legal and business work.
• About 10 data spaces are in the works; eg I know of 4 Horizon Europe projects (~10MEUR each) working on EU Energy data space

@Saragommezz, MrOllie, Rosguill, NikkiDataSpace, Duncan.Hull, Triadic2000, Tourorist, Beetstra, Aramallo, Biogeographist, Kku, and Padgriffin:

Do you think this article talks about the same topic and can be expanded? Or should we start a new article?

• AFAIK, EU data spaces are not yet covered in Wikipedia and Wikidata, not even the above associations
• There's just https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q110739430 with a DE page https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_Data_Space; listed as a subclass of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q370685 (which points to this article)

PS: is there a relevant project I can ping?

• Can't find any relevant active project at https://bambots.brucemyers.com/drb/WikiProjectList.html
• The following are supposed to exist (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Science#Information_science) but return error:

Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 12:57, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Can you please list the independent secondary sources that comply with Wikipedia's sourcing guidelines that have become available? We really need to avoid industry whitepapers, government documents, and other primary sources, either on this or on some new article topic. MrOllie (talk) 13:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Suggested changes

I'd like to suggest the following improvements to the article on Dataspaces on behalf of the International Data Spaces Association.

Remove copyrighted text

• Specific text to be added or removed: Delete entire Applications of dataspaces section
• Reason for the change: It a direct WP:COPYVIO of Franklin 2005, Section 2. Examples
• References supporting change: http://sigmod.org/publications/sigmodRecord/0512/p27-article-franklin.pdf

Remove spam

• Specific text to be added or removed: Remove the paragraph with the ZDNet reference
• Reason for the change: The paragraph and reference were added to promote a product launch. The reference is WP:LINKSPAM - a product launch press release. Neither data spaces nor data graphs are discussed in the source.

Remove external links section

• Specific text to be added or removed: Remove the external links section
• Reason for the change: The only external link no-longer leads to relevent content.

Add short description

• Specific text to be added or removed: Add short description "Abstraction in data management"
• Reason for the change: WP:SHORTDES, "Each Wikipedia article should include a concise explanation of its scope in the form of a short description".

Reposition references

• Specific text to be added or removed: Reposition existing references.
  • Belhajjame 2010 & 2013 - Move both to end of paragraph 1, sentence 2.
  • Talukdar 2010 - delete, the paper explicitly states that it is not talking about dataspaces.
  • Sarma 2009 and Franklin 2005 - Move to the end of paragraph 3
  • Howe 2008 - Move to the end of paragraph 2
  • Dong 2008 - Delete, mentions DSSP once, duplicating Sarma 2009, so not needed
  • Dong 2007 - Leave as is

• Reason for the change: There is no need for eight references (WP:OVERCITE) for the first three sentences. Many of the sources have the same authors (e.g. Dong, X. and Belhajjame, K.) and contain very similar wording. Some can be more appropriately used to reference other sections.

Add link to see also

• Specific text to be added or removed: Add Linked data to the see also section.
• Reason for the change: It's a key principle in dataspaces.

MisterTech (talk) 16:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC) MisterTech (talk) 16:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Reply 18-OCT-2023

  Specification requested  

• It is not known what changes are requested to be made. Your request states "Please move third paragraph" or "reposition references". This is not clear enough of a direction. Please state your desired changes in the form of "Change x to y using z".

Change x to y using z

x A verbatim description of the old text to be removed from the article (if any) y A verbatim description of the new text to be added to the article (if any) z A reference which verifies the requested change Example edit request: Please change: The Sun's diameter is 25 miles. ↑ This is x ↑ to read as: The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles. ↑ This is y ↑ using as a reference: Harinath, Prisha (2023). The Sun. Academic Press. p. 1. ↑ This is z ↑

Kindly open a new edit request at your earliest convenience when ready to proceed.
Regards,  Spintendo  22:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit Request

I've revised the requested changes to make them clearer.

Change 1

• Specific text to be added or removed: Delete entire Applications of dataspaces section
• Reason for the change: It a direct WP:COPYVIO of Franklin 2005, Section 2. Examples
• References supporting change: http://sigmod.org/publications/sigmodRecord/0512/p27-article-franklin.pdf

Change 2

• Specific text to be added or removed: Remove the paragraph with the ZDNet reference - "Data graphs play an important role in dataspaces systems. They work on a fact based (triples or "data entities" made up of subject-predicate-object) data modeling approach which supports the "pay-as-you-go" techniques described above. They support data co-existence and are therefore an ideal technique for semantic integration. Search and relational-style queries and analytics can work simultaneously on data graphs which is another important property of dataspaces."
• Reason for the change: The paragraph and reference were added to promote a product launch. The reference is WP:LINKSPAM - a product launch press release. Neither data spaces nor data graphs are discussed in the source.

Change 3

• Specific text to be added or removed: Delete the External links section
• Reason for the change: The only external link no-longer leads to relevent content.

Change 4

• Specific text to be added or removed: Add short description "Abstraction in data management"
• Reason for the change: WP:SHORTDES, "Each Wikipedia article should include a concise explanation of its scope in the form of a short description".

Change 5

• Specific text to be added or removed: Move references and to end of paragraph 1, sentence 2 (ending " ... "pay-as-you-go" fashion as it is used.")
• Reason for the change: There is no need for eight references (WP:OVERCITE) for the first three sentences. These references only refer to the first two sentences.

Change 6

• Specific text to be added or removed: Delete reference
• Reason for the change: There is no need for eight references (WP:OVERCITE) for the first three sentences. This paper explicitly states that it is not talking about dataspaces.

Change 7

• Specific text to be added or removed: Move references and to the end of paragraph 3 (ending " ... (e.g., for commit protocols).")
• Reason for the change: There is no need for eight references (WP:OVERCITE) for the first three sentences. These references can be more appropriately used to reference another section.

Change 8

• Specific text to be added or removed: Move reference to the end of paragraph 2 (ending " ... to set up a data integration system.")
• Reason for the change: There is no need for eight references (WP:OVERCITE) for the first three sentences. This reference can be more appropriately used to reference another section.

Change 9

• Specific text to be added or removed: Delete reference
• Reason for the change: There is no need for eight references (WP:OVERCITE) for the first three sentences. This reference mentions DSSP once, duplicating , so it is not needed

Change 10

• Specific text to be added or removed: Add Linked data to the see also section.
• Reason for the change: It's a key principle in dataspaces.

References

MisterTech (talk) 15:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done All done except #1. A page number was not provided with the reference (a reference which is 7 pages long). That actual page where the alleged copied-and-pasted text resides needs to be provided with the request. Surely the COI editor does not expect the reviewer to read 7 pages of text in order to verify the copyvio. Regards,  Spintendo  00:45, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll open another edit request for the remaining couple of issues. MisterTech (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit Request 2

I've further revised the remaining edit requests to make them clearer.

Change 1

• Specific text to be added or removed: Delete entire Applications of dataspaces section
• Reason for the change: It a direct WP:COPYVIO of the originating paper.
• References supporting change: http://sigmod.org/publications/sigmodRecord/0512/p27-article-franklin.pdf Page 28, or page 2 of the document, Section 2. Examples

Change 2

• Specific text to be added or removed: Remove the paragraph with the ZDNet reference - "Data graphs play an important role in dataspaces systems. They work on a fact based (triples or "data entities" made up of subject-predicate-object) data modeling approach which supports the "pay-as-you-go" techniques described above. They support data co-existence and are therefore an ideal technique for semantic integration. Search and relational-style queries and analytics can work simultaneously on data graphs which is another important property of dataspaces."
• Reason for the change: The paragraph and reference were added to promote a product launch. The reference is WP:REFSPAM - a product launch press release. Dataspaces are not discussed in it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by MisterTech (talk • contribs) 09:21, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Reply 20-OCT-2023

  Copyvio text deleted  

• The COI editor is gently reminded of the need to sign all talk page posts left by them.

Regards,  Spintendo  17:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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