Talk:Daryl Gates

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Old comments[edit]

Why is there a completely different article at Darryl F. Gates?

Thanks for catching that. I've added "merge" tags so that the two articles can be combined (hopefully under the correct spelling). Cheers, -Willmcw 20:03, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it is spelled DARYL, it even says on his book!

POV issues[edit]

This article was obviously written by a Gates apologist (probably some Jack Dunphy-wannabe who lives in a KKK-infested housing tract in Simi Valley). I'm slapping a neutrality dispute tag on it. --Slightlyslack 10:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've gone through and made a fair number of changes and radically improved the writing. Unlike the guy who wrote all of the Gates-worshipping crap before me, I actually listed some references. Imagine that. POV tag now gone.--Slightlyslack 09:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This sentence seems POV to me: "While evidence of systematic racism among the rank-and-file and by Gates himself was not clear-cut, it was undeniable that the paramilitary approach he espoused was seriously lacking in certain areas". It has been tagged for citation but DG is still alive so it really needs to be cited immediately or deleted. Is there anything at Christopher Commission we can use? Thundermaker (talk) 18:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DARE[edit]

Please provide evidence as to the ineffectiveness of the DARE program.

Confusion as to Marijuana as a gateway drug? The argument is that people buying cannabis often come into contact with other drugs by association with dealers, not that smoking the drug itself sets you up neurologically to look for a better high/fix and go looking intentionally for other narcotics, so surely at face value it IS a potential gateway drug, but on the same level, it could be argued that it should be legalised and thus removed from the criminal market and proximity with other narcotics?!
There is a surplus of information about the ineffectiveness of the DARE program on the DARE program's Wikipedia page: [1]. This is entirely uncontroversial: every single reputable published study of DARE has concluded that DARE is either ineffective or counterindicated (there is some, but not conclusive, evidence that the DARE program increases likelihood of drug use among participants). Synergetics (talk) 17:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And there's also a huge amount of information on the ineffectiveness of DARE right here: [2] HOPE THIS HELPS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.69.99 (talk) 16:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edits made by anonymous IPs[edit]

Is "Jack Dunphy" making these or something? --Slightlyslack 10:34, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever is deleting info, please give an explanation. -Willmcw 04:05, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Casual drug users "ought to be taken out and shot."[edit]

The above quotation and its reaction are worthy of inclusion. It was initially reported by the LA Times, I believe. He made a point of referring to marijuana users (or those who "blast" pot, according to him) and considered it to be worthy of "treason." --AWF

Veins[edit]

Is there any truth to what he said about blacks' veins not opening fast? Could this be because maybe some of them who have died were suffering from hardened arteries and high blood pressure? --Apathy 02:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it happened to be true or false, Gates wasn't qualified to say. But I think the main objection to that statement was that he referred to non-blacks as "normal people", tacitly implying that an entire race is abnormal. Also that he wasn't willing to consider the possible culpability of his officers in the high custodial death rate. Thundermaker (talk) 00:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We cares about rap songs[edit]

Who gives three drums of monkey p*ss what some hoodlum gangster rappers that belong in jail think about Gates. It's irrelevant to the article and obscene.

Gates remains a controversial (and heavily disliked) figure in Los Angeles 16 years after he retired. Time has not diluted the controversies related to his tenure as chief. For example, the recent controversy about Special Order 40, promulgated by Gates, and the current discussion on the Los Angeles City Council whether to keep it in force or modify it. The article in its current form seems to provide as good of a balance as possible. Although, I personally didn't know he was still alive until his recent appearance in the film Street Kings76.79.213.82 (talk) 00:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More like "who cares about evil, unscientifically militarist, dead racist pigs?". The only reason any people in the future would want to read about this absurd waste of humanity is if they heard about him on a hip-hop track, or maybe if they were doing on search on the War on Colored Poor people (it's impossible to wage a war on objects). Omgtotallyradical (talk) 04:11, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating[edit]

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Gates on television[edit]

I was just watching an old 1950s TV show called "You Asked For It." In a segment about modern methods of crime detection, they went to the LAPD for answers, and who was there to give them answers but Officer Daryl Gates. It was him, no doubt. Mr. Gates seemed destined for notoriety from the beginning. I'll not mention it in the article because it's not notable, and there are no citations. 209.77.230.206 (talk) 03:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decorations[edit]

Gates is a veteran of WWII, and if you're going to list any decorations or military awards, it should be for that service, not those hokey LAPD "awards" such as the Papal visit ribbon, etc. His WWII ribbons are visible in a couple portrait photos. P1340 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.29.234 (talk) 17:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace, biographical details need checking[edit]

Reviewing his various obituaries today, I note that they are occasionally at odds with one another on details, and that there may be biographical details in the current Wikipedia article that may be at odds with the obits. Starting with his birthplace--the L.A. Times says Glendale, the Daily News says Huntington Park[3], the Wikipedia article currently says Highland Park (no footnote, though), New York Times (perhaps less interested in the specifics of SoCal geography) just says "Los Angeles". Exact place of death may also be unclear--New York Times and L.A. Times say Newport Beach (apparently based on an LAPD announcement) but I am coming across Orange County-based sources that say Dana Point or San Clemente. I will try to stick to the most authoritative sources, and I would call this issue to all editors' attention.--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The issue with birthplace is sometimes due to the location of the hospital versus the family home. For example, if the family lived in Highland Park but went a few miles to a hospital in Glendale then it's easy to see how biographers might use either location as his birthplace. That may be hard to resolve. If he died at home then that should be easier to determine.   Will Beback  talk  00:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The place of death conflict actually seemed to resolve itself subsequent to my post above--the NYT and LAT obits both changed to Dana Point. Birthplace is still not as clear, but Glendale seems to be the most likely.--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:19, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gates was born in Huntington Park on Aug. 30, 1926, and raised in Glendale.
    • Former LAPD chief Gates praised for innovation, but some tactics drew fire. Rick Orlov. Whittier Daily News. Whittier, Calif.: Apr 16, 2010.
  • A native of Glendale, Calif., and a University of Southern California graduate, he was mentored by legendary police Chief William Parker after becoming his personal driver.
    • Daryl Gates, L.A.'s police chief during 1992 riots, dies. John Antczak And Robert Jablon Associated Press. Deseret News. Salt Lake City, Utah: Apr 17, 2010. pg. A.8
  • Born in Glendale, Gates grew up in poverty in Highland Park.
    • Report on King Beating May Alter Gates' Legacy Police: The Christopher panel is expected to release its findings Tuesday, putting him in the spotlight again.; JANE FRITSCH. Los Angeles Times (pre-1997 Fulltext). Los Angeles, Calif.: Jul 8, 1991. pg. 1

We can always split the difference and say he was born in Glendale or Huntington Park.   Will Beback  talk  02:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Lou Cannon[4] and The Historical Dictionary of Law Enforcement[5] also point to Glendale (the latter indentifying Gates's autobiography, which I don't have and which isn't available for preview at Google Books, as a source). Rick Orlov's article is the only one I've seen that says Huntington Park, although it has been widely reprinted.--Arxiloxos (talk) 04:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rodney King and Los Angeles Riots Section[edit]

This section states:

"Within minutes of the announcement of the verdict, white truck driver Reginald Denny was dragged from his vehicle while stopped at the intersection of Florence and Normandie Avenues in South Central Los Angeles and severely beaten by several black teenagers as news helicopters hovered above."

However, the article on the riots states:

"The acquittals of the four accused Los Angeles Police Department officers came at 3:15 p.m. local time."

"At approximately 6:45 p.m., Reginald Oliver Denny, a white truck driver who stopped at a traffic light at the intersection of Florence and South Normandie Avenues, was dragged from his vehicle and severely beaten by a mob of local black residents as news helicopters hovered above, recording every blow..."

I am not a historian, but I believe the article on the riots is correct. Also, there is little to support the contention that National Guard troops failed to contain the riots. Finally, there is no hyperlink to the actual article on the Riots.

I would propose placing a hyperlink to the full article on the riots, and editing the second paragraph in this section to state:

"The 1992 Los Angeles riots, which began when a jury acquitted four white Los Angeles Police Department officers accused in the videotaped beating of black motorist Rodney King following a high-speed pursuit, brought an end to Gates's police career."

As far as other paragraphs go, I am not in a position to make recommendations, but the tone of this section seems to be biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.74.160.4 (talk) 20:23, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the excerpt above, the riots did not end Gates's career. He had announced his intention to retire in 1991, and his successor was named on April 16 1992, before the riots began. I'm updating the entry now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evelyn727 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Obscenity controversies?[edit]

Does anyone know why this article is in Category:Obscenity controversies? I don't see anything about that in the article, though it may refer to something that's been removed. Robofish (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

The section on Rodney King has clearly been written to push a particular agenda. "hoodlum" and "felon" While felon is accurate, hoodlum is unnecessary. The section further states facts which are in dispute as if they are not "resisting arrest" and so forth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.239.238 (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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tone and narrative[edit]

This article reads like it was written by a college freshman as an assignment/opinion piece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C50:B40:3DF0:683E:968F:CCB:E628 (talk) 03:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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