Talk:Daphne (Handel)

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Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 08:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Title page of the Daphne libretto

~~... that Handel composed the opera Daphne (cover pictured) for the Oper am Gänsemarkt in Hamburg in 1706, but had left for Italy when it was premiered in 1708?~~ Source: several
- Reviewed: to come
- Comment: I think this would be best when Handel's lost operas are TFA, 17 January.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Daphne (Handel); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article meets DYK requirements and is free from close paraphrasing. There are a few uncited statements in the article, including the part about Hinsch and the harpsicord direction. The hook is cited inline and is interesting even to non-classical music fans, though I could suggest an alternate wording specifying that he never saw it live, or perhaps an alternative hook that mentions only fragments survive (though I still prefer the original hook fact). QPQ is still pending. Once the issues are resolved the nomination will be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- There are unfortunately significant issues with the hook and article, which are based on the long-held assumption that Handel did not return to Hamburg for the premieres of Florindo and Daphne. The pre-existing article Handel's lost Hamburg operas is far more measured about the historical record and likelihoods gleaned from more recent sources: the "Florindo and Daphne" section's "Performance history" subsection notes not only Whether Handel was present at any time during rehearsals or performance is uncertain; he may have returned from Italy, fresh from the opening of Rodrigo in Florence, to supervise the production of Florindo and Daphne in Hamburg per Ellen Harris, but also that, according to Handel's Grove bio by Anthony Hicks, so unusual a project would not have been attempted without the composer's presence. I don't know what happened to the DYK guideline that read If an article contradicts an existing article, the contradiction should be resolved one way or the other before the article is approved, but I think this is exactly the situation that it was trying to prevent. The composition of the two operas (originally one opera, but split) could have happened in 1706 before or after Handel left for Italy, or in 1707 while he was there—it's yet another unknown. This article needs significant additional factual work and citations before it's ready for DYK. A very minor point (and the one that got me looking at this nomination in the first place): the image is not of the cover of the opera libretto, but of the title page (as it says in the article); if the image is to be used, (libretto title page pictured) is probably the most accurate way to describe it. (I've amended the caption to reflect this.) BlueMoonset (talk) 05:38, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Are you able to respond to the above? Z1720 (talk) 03:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, BlueMoonset, for the diligence. I simply translated from the German Wikipedia, but should have used the Lost Handel operas, which I avoided in the beginning to avoid close paraphrasing. I never got past the beginning. I am still not done with getting ready with the new year (yes updated my talk, but not yet project talk), and have three articles waiting about people who recently diedd, plus a GAN underway. I think I will not get this article to DYK standard, and withdraw the nomination. I'll still try to improve the article until the Lost operas will be TFA, - help any help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]