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Crows?[edit]

Crow eaters? Really? Can I get a reference for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.50.17.46 (talk) 12:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedia is not a newspaper[edit]

Each session of the Committee examines dozens of such proposals, should we flood encyclopedia with these current issues? France is full of nuclear stations - should we mention the fact in any article on French WHS? When the patrimony is inscribed in the list of WHS in Danger, then we'll record the fact here. So far, there are only Lithuanian speculations. Remember, you are editing encyclopedia and not a newspaper. --Ghirlandajo 3 July 2005 13:45 (UTC)

Whatever you say, the danger is a real fact. I took vacations at the spit about 20 years ago. Already at these times both the sea and the bay sides were gravely polluted. I did not see much damage to the dunes, though, but unlike the water, this probably requres an expert to estimate. mikka (t) 4 July 2005 22:39 (UTC)
I do not dispute the damage. The way the article currently has this: "There is an opinion that the ecosystem is endangered..." is not worthy of WP. Whoever brings this into the article, please write there a respectable source that quotes whose opinion this is. Again, I do not want to cast my doubt at the damage itself. -Irpen July 5, 2005 05:48 (UTC)
As it says: it's the opinion of World Heritage Committee. I've rephrased the sentence to hopefully sound clearer. --Lysy (talk) 5 July 2005 08:09 (UTC)

Yes, it looks better this way. Another thing, currently the World Heritage List issue is duplicated in the article. The article is short enough and there is not need, I think, to have some issues said in the lead and repeated two paragraphs below. If you agree, pls modify this. Thanks! --Irpen July 5, 2005 18:54 (UTC)

These are two complementary pieces of information, actually. The first one states that the spit got enlisted and explains why (the criteria). This happended in 2000. The second sentence mentions the recent threat and WHC's suggestion to put it on another list (sites in danger). This happened in 2003/2004. I've moved the first sentence to "Current state" section and merged both into a single paragraph in order to avoid this confusion with the apparent duplicate. Is this what you meant ? --Lysy (talk) 5 July 2005 19:14 (UTC)

Any explanation of this edit ? Makes no sense. --Lysy (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I concur it does not make sense. Also, the Lithuanian oil terminal is called Butingė, not Butinga. Alga 21:42, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... Mentioning a Russian oil platform does make sense, while the Lithuanian oil terminal where accidents happen all the time doesn't... This is called POV, guys. --Ghirlandajo 07:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No, I meant it did not make sense to claim that the proposal to enlist the Spit was dropped because it's even more polluted but I see you've corrected it now yourself. Thanks. Regarding Butingė: does the WHC consider it as a threat to the Spit or is it your opinion ? --Lysy (talk) 09:45, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, Butinge damages enviroiment, but not the Curonian Spit - most damage goes to Latvia. Butinge is far from Curonian Spit (it is on the Latvian border) and the hydrological currents at that place goes northwards, therefore any oil spilt goes northwards rather than southwards. There was a big outcry among the enviroimentalists of Latvia when Butinge oil terminal was being built because of that as well. And Klaipeda oil port is small, most of oil business of Lithuania goes through Butinge these days; and currents from there goes northwards as well. If there will be an article about enviroiment of whole Baltic Sea, then of course Butinge will have to be mentioned as well. Burann 19:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About the dunes[edit]

The overall highest dune in Europe is the dune of Pilat, in Arcachon, France. Dunes of the Curonian Spit are the highest moving (or drifting) dunes in Europe. [1]

The German Imperial government spent vast sums of money before The Great War attempting to halt and slow down much of the movement, including the planting of hundreds of thousands of trees. Christchurch 07:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Width[edit]

It's 98 km long from north to south, but what about the width east to west? Bao Qing Tian (talk) 18:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I quote from the "Geography" section of the article: "The width of the spit varies from a minimum of 400 m in Russia (near the village of Lesnoye) to a maximum of 3,800 m in Lithuania (just north of Nida)." Here m = meters. H Padleckas (talk) 01:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kur? - Where? - Где? , Kur?land-Where?land - Где?земля-Kurland-Courland[edit]

Kur? - Where? - Где? , Kur?land-Where?land - Где?земля-Kurland-Courland-Курланд

Kur? (on Lettish/Latvian), Where? (on English), Где? (on Russian), Lettish (Latvian): Kur? English: where German: wo French: où Italian: dove, da qualche parte Spainsh: ¿dónde?, donde, dónde, + dónde Ukrainian: де Kazahkian: қайда, қай жерде, кәне

Thank for the help to traslate to http://slovari.yandex.ru/search.xml?text=%D0%93%D0%B4%D0%B5%3F&st_translate=0 http://translate.eu/ru/Latvian-Russian/ http://translate.eu/english/Latvian-Russian/ Lettish Kur? - Russian: Где? - English: Where? Lettish Zeme - Russian: земля - English: land

Kur?zeme - Где?земля - Where?land

Kur?zeme ()------> Kur?land ---> Courland (English) - Kurland --> Курляндия (Russian) | Курземе <----- Kurzeme (Lettish/Latvian) <----> Courland (English)

http://dictionary.delfi.lv/index.php?lang=ru Lettish Kur - Russian: Вон.

Sounds: Kur (Lettish) - Cour (English) - Кур (Русский) Translations: Kur (Lettish) - Where? (English) - Где? (Русский)

  • There is the river Kura (Kur)

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kura_River "Kura (Turkish: Kura, Azerbaijani: Kür, Georgian: მტკვარი - Mt'k'vari) is a river, also known from the Greek as the Cyrus[7][8] in the Caucasus Mountains. Starting in north-eastern Turkey, it flows through Turkey to Georgia, then to Azerbaijan, where it receives the Aras River as a right tributary, and enters the Caspian Sea. The total length of the river is 1,515 kilometres (941 mi).

People have inhabited the Caucasus region for thousands of years, and first established agriculture in the Kura Valley over 4,500 years ago. Large, complex civilizations eventually grew up on the river, but by 1200 CE, most were reduced to ruin by natural disasters and foreign invaders. The increasing human use, and eventual damage, of the watershed’s forests and grasslands contributed to a rising intensity of floods through the 20th century. In the 1950s, the Soviets started building many dams and canals on the river. Previously navigable up to Tbilisi in Georgia, it is now much slower and shallower, as its power has been harnessed by hydroelectricity stations. The river is now moderately polluted by major industrial centers like Tbilisi and Rustavi in Georgia."

"The name Kura is related extract from name of Cyrus the Great.or to an ancient Albanian term for 'reservoir.'[9] The Georgian name of Kura is Mt'k'vari (in old Georgian Mt'k'uari), either from Georgian 'good water' or a Georgianized form of Megrelian tkvar-ua 'gnaw' (i.e., "river that eats its way through the mountains").[10] The name Kura was adopted first by the Russians and later by European cartographers. In some definitions of Europe, the Kura River defines the borderline between Europe and Asia.[11]

The river should not be confused with the Kura River, Russia, a westward flowing tributary of the Malka River in Stavropol Krai; the Kur River near Kursk, Russia; or the other Kur River near Khabarovsk, also in Russia."

"People have lived on the Kura for at least 7,000 years?[citation needed] The ancient inhabitants of the Kura-Aras lowland called the river Mother Kür, signifying the importance of the river to the region.[4] The first irrigation agriculture began about 4,500 years ago in the eastern Azerbaijan lowlands."

"most famous of the ancient settlements on the Kura is the "cave town" at Uplistsikhe, Georgia, first settled as early as 3,500 years ago. The city, carved into a cliff on the bank of the Kura covering an area of 8 hectares (20 acres), contains underground living quarters, communal chambers, places of worship, storerooms, connected by a network of passageways. It reached its peak about 1,100 years ago as the political, religious and cultural center of the region, but in the 1200s, it fell to Mongolian invaders."

Resource: http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5234/ "Uplistsikhe Cave Town". UNESCO World Heritage Center. United Nations. 2007-10-24. http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5234/. Retrieved 2010-03-13.

Resource: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kura_River

So, this tribe kurshi, kuronians, curonians,... may be have their ancestors from the river Kura (Kur).

(Lettish) Kur? - Tur (Russian) Где? - Здесь. Там. Тут. (English) Where? - There Here

The river Kur(a) - Kur, Kura (Kur(a)) The Tur river - The river Tur

"from here to here" "from this to that" "from this to there" "from there to there" from "Kur" to "Tur"

It seems as some traces from an old ancient legend or a story.


Old Lettish legend is about The Rigas cock (on Russian, kuri, kury: cocks, hens, chickens)

The Old lettish/latvian legend says that it will be a time when The Rigas cock from the Old Petr Chritian Chirch will ask The Riga: - Are you ready?

and if The Riga will answer: - Yes, I am.

it will be a biggest flood, covering all town Riga and all Latvia with their buidings, houses and a land.

- Kur? -- Tur.

(Answer) - (Reply)

- Where? - There (here. there. ....) (Answer) - (reply)


So, geographically

1. Kurshi and places of their settlement in Baltica area (Kaliningrad(Keninsberg), Lithuania, Latvia) 2. The Curonian Split (Lithuania, Baltic Sea area) 3. The Curonian Lagoon (Lithounia, baltic sea area) 4. The river Kura (Kura, Kur) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kura_River "Kura (Turkish: Kura, Azerbaijani: Kür, Georgian: მტკვარი - Mt'k'vari) is a river, also known from the Greek as the Cyrus[7][8] in the Caucasus Mountains. Starting in north-eastern Turkey, it flows through Turkey to Georgia, then to Azerbaijan, where it receives the Aras River as a right tributary, and enters the Caspian Sea." 5. The Tur river (Romania) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tur_River 6. The Kura Valley 7. Kura River, Russia (Stavropol Krai) 8. the Kur River near Kursk, Russia 9. the Kur River near Khabarovsk, also in Russia 10. ... ?

The river Kura (Kura, Kur) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kura_River

"Kura (Turkish: Kura, Azerbaijani: Kür, Georgian: მტკვარი - Mt'k'vari) is a river, also known from the Greek as the Cyrus[7][8] in the Caucasus Mountains. Starting in north-eastern Turkey, it flows through Turkey to Georgia, then to Azerbaijan, where it receives the Aras River as a right tributary, and enters the Caspian Sea. The total length of the river is 1,515 kilometres (941 mi)." "People have inhabited the Caucasus region for thousands of years, and first established agriculture in the Kura Valley over 4,500 years ago. Large, complex civilizations eventually grew up on the river, but by 1200 CE, most were reduced to ruin by natural disasters and foreign invaders." "The name Kura is related extract from name of Cyrus the Great.or to an ancient Albanian term for 'reservoir.'[9] The Georgian name of Kura is Mt'k'vari (in old Georgian Mt'k'uari), either from Georgian 'good water' or a Georgianized form of Megrelian tkvar-ua 'gnaw' (i.e., "river that eats its way through the mountains").[10] The name Kura was adopted first by the Russians and later by European cartographers. In some definitions of Europe, the Kura River defines the borderline between Europe and Asia.[11] The river should not be confused with the Kura River, Russia, a westward flowing tributary of the Malka River in Stavropol Krai; the Kur River near Kursk, Russia; or the other Kur River near Khabarovsk, also in Russia."

The Tur river (Romania) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tur_River

"The Tur River (Hungarian: Túr) is a tributary of the Tisza River. The sources are located in the Oaş Mountains in Romania. The Tur River starts at the junction of headwaters Gorova River and Turişor. The river then flows through Satu Mare County in Romania. The main town on the Tur river is Turulung, The river then forms the border between Romania and the Ukraine on a reach of 5.2 km, and the border between Romania and Hungary for 1.1 km. The Tur river joins the Tisza river near Szatmárcseke in Hungary"

Kur? - Tur. (Lettish/Latvian) (and similarity with Lituanian Kur?) Where? - There. Here. ... (English) Где? - тут. там. здесь..... (Russian)

Kurushin family - a meaning- is this connected with a tribe kurshi? Curonians?----

The resource: http://www.rg.ru/2009/12/03/pit.html http://www.rg.ru/gazeta/subbota/2009/12/03.html Александра Суперанская - "Российская газета" - Неделя №5055 (231) от 3 декабря 2009 г.

" Курушин Н.М. (Ульяновская область): Мне бы хотелось узнать, русского ли происхождения моя фамилия? В словаре иностранных слов есть значение слова "Куруш" как разменная монета Турции. Древние шумеры именовали "Куруш" крепких, сильных молодых людей и мужчин.

Суперанская: Фамилия происходит из древнерусского имени или прозвища Куруша. Оно образовано от слова "куруша", что значит - "индейка, индюк". В разных местах России эту птицу называли множеством различных слов, нередко сравнивали с курами, откуда обозначения куран, кураш, курыль, курыш, индейский петух. В доступных нам исторических документах встретилась только фамилия, образованная от имени Курыш: Курышев (Пермский край, 1711 г.). "

My translation from this resource:

The question from Mr N.M.Kurushin (Russia):

- I would like to now about my surname 'Kurushin' - is this Russian surname? There ir a word "Kуруш" ('kurush') in the vocabrary of forein words for a name of a money in Turkey. The ancient Sumerians had named strong young people and men, and males as 'Kurush".

The answer from Aleksandra Superanskaya, Russia:

- This surname had originated from the Old Russian name or a nickname Kurusha, which had been formed from a word 'kurusha', the meaning of the word 'kurusha' was for 'a turkey". There were being plenty old Russian words for 'a turkey' in Russia: with a remark to "kuri" (cocks, hens, chickens): kuran, kurash, kuryl, (l,-soft l,), kurysh, Indian cock. We had founded though all historical documents only one, which had been originated from the name 'Kurysh': Kuryshev (Perm Province, Russia, 1711) "

It was my translation from Russian from the resourse: http://www.rg.ru/2009/12/03/pit.html http://www.rg.ru/gazeta/subbota/2009/12/03.html "Александра Суперанская - "Российская газета" - Неделя №5055 (231) от 3 декабря 2009 г."

  • I do not think... it was a right answer, as there so many possibilities and as it depended from the open historical resource and archives from Russia, but they had not openned and seached all, for now, I think. *

Sumeria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

So, 'Kurushins family may have traces from the old Baltic tribe 'kurshi', 'curonians', and the name of curonians, kurshi, and to be traces from more older ancient history of a move for people from another places (possible, from regions near with the river Kur, Tur) to The Baltic sea areas) or to be formed from diffrent forein words, but as co-sounded.

"We will gone, but The Word will stay for this World, as a writing on maps... Kur? no answer for us will say land or zeme - земля теперь..."


See - another and very small,- being, living, alive, живёт! Bumba-balling - играет в мяч... или в куклы. Watt-twomba-ross!!


Tumba, tumba, two-mbalalayka... twomba-lalaika- tumba-lalay! My balalaika - two-m'balalajka... to m'balalaika-tumba-lalaj!"


Winderrainer (talk) 21:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

southeastern?[edit]

from article: "...located in Kaliningrad Oblast, Russia and southeastern Lithuania." why it's location is called "southeastern Lithuania"? because it is to the west from mainland Lithuania. Even west-most point of Lithuania is in the Curonian Spit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miciusm (talk • contribs) 07:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected "southeastern" to correctly say "southwestern". H Padleckas (talk) 20:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe slip in a mention of the very similar Vistula spit?[edit]

The Vistula spit article mentions Curonian spit four times, they are next to each others, they are similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.252.112.29 (talk) 18:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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