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Cornish people[edit]

This page has been chosen as the current UK Collaboration of the Fortnight. All welcome to join in . Secretlondon 17:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Register as a Cornish Wikipedian[edit]

At these two pages:

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[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bretagne 44 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reduce the Cornwall pages[edit]

I think the Cornwall page could be reduced now that the Culture of Cornwall and Cornish people pages exist, why double up on the information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bretagne 44 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

cleaned up[edit]

I have tried to clean up this page, putting it into what I think is a more helpful order. I have also added a short paragraph to explain 'why' cornish traditions differ from the general english, I personally am not a fan of overuse of the word 'celtic' but I felt it was the easiest concise explanation here. I have also added some information on specific musical traditions and a paragraph on folkloric stories.131.111.8.100(WPM) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.100 (talk) 15:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

art? and dress? film? should be added[edit]

should there maybe be a section here about art? There are many artists from cornwall or inspired by cornish landscapes. Mention st. Ives Perhaps? Could also mention celtic knotwork ie. cornwall has the highest dennsity of 'traditional' celtic crosses in the world (acording to a general celtic art expert I talked to), don't know if there would be a reference online anywhere, and that these are still erected eg. for war memorials or millenium etc. Also noting that they are generally simpler than crosses in eg. ireland due to difficulty of carving granite.

There are a fair number of film makers who identify themself as 'cornish film makers', even if they're working in english, there's certainly a concept of a cornish film industry if you look online. Goel fylm kernow and the celtic film festival should prob be mentioned. Hwerow hweg is an abvious point, as is the Govynn Kernewek, perhaps mantion 'kernow's kick ass kung fu Queens'?!

Maybe a section about 'traditional dress?' or clothes originating here I'm not a fan of the idea of 'traditional dress' things but it probably should be mentioned. Theres stuff like fishermans smocks? bal maiden gear? kilts/tartans- prob needing to be unbiased sentence on that one.Don't really know much about that area.

Will add fledgling sections for these, but will leave most of it to others.(WPM) 131.111.8.103— Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.103 (talk) 23:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The section on cornish kilts should be completey rewritten, There is NO evidence whatsoever of the cornish wearing kilts for more than 60 years. The very obscure carving on a bench of what appears to possibly resemble a kilt is NOT proof, I have seen the carving and it could be a dress, blacksmiths apron etc etc. There is NO written testimony of kilt wearing in cornwall, there is NO eye witness accounts from internel and external sources in britain. The cornish never wore kilts, please change this and stop polluting cornish celtic culture with false histories and accounts, it weakens the cornish position as a celtic nation.

James louis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.102.194 (talk) 14:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The best thing to do, if you know something about the subject, is to change the article yourself. That's what it's all about. If you do, please cite reliable sources to verify your edits. :o) Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish Food[edit]

Bretagne 44 09:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

literature[edit]

Could the list of books/ authors be reduced...?

Whilst jack clemo and the like are obviously cornish some just seem to be set in cornwall rather than produced by a cornish writer... I dont know what the definition is to be included here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.99 (talk) 22:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the majority of these authors are/were incommers, the section should be changed to "Stories set in Cornwall" though they hardly seem to come under the heading "Cornish culture." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpren (talk • contribs) 05:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We have a situation where 3/4 poets mentioned are not Cornish, and 14/15 authors mentioned are also from outside of Cornwall. Surely these have no place in the "Culture of Cornwall" section? Serpren (talk) 06:40, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

bible[edit]

wasn't there an old tranlsation of some bits of the bible? therefore could the word complete be used somewhere in the bit about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.102 (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2006

England[edit]

I don't know whether its worth mentioning here that many/most cornish people popularily consider england to start at the tamer... Otherwise I suppose some of the article could be confusing? 131.111.8.98 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.98 (talk) 13:23, 04 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's a small minority that think this and why would it be worth mentioning? Enzedbrit 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Would need a citation I think (personally I doubt very much if it is 'a small minority').DuncanHill 12:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is a well known thing, there are loads of references in encyclopedias and things its just choosing a good one I suppose. I agree that it is more than a minority, its just most people are fairly forgiving and light hearted with it, theres only a minority that get really annoyed by 'england' references. ( I think there was a survey recently that 60%?? of cornish children would identify as cornish not enlish, but there wouldn't be that many who were actuall campaigning for mebyon kernow or anything!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.99 (talk) 17:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish Economy[edit]

Where the idea of independence goes horribly wrong.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.89.71 (talk) 01:09, 26 June 2006

Hi 81.151.89.71, please elaborate. Talskiddy
Just ignore it Talskiddy, its just flame bating ;) Mammal4 07:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Potential as an English speaking tax haven? EU integration? Free trade areas? Bilateral agreements? Rocketing price of tin, a commodity craved by China and India? Third largest natural harbour in the world? Global satellite station? Larger population than 34 countries? What has Luxembourg got to offer that Cornwall hasn't? Or Montenegro? Or Andorra? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.4.214 (talk) 14:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference[edit]

Could somone with back catalogue of Cornish World magazines find the name/date of neil Daveys article on a timeline/history of cornish music, and ad this as the reference to 'a recent tally of bands playing mostly or entirely ccrnish music found over 100.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.103 (talk) 10:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opening paragraph[edit]

The opening paragraph;

Cornwall, though within England, has many cultural differences from the culture of England.[citation needed] These cultural differences are central to the Cornish self-government movement, which advocates ceremonial independence from England. As Cornwall is home of one of the living Celtic languages, it is recognised as one of the six modern 'Celtic nations' by the Celtic Congress and the Celtic League. Many celtic-derived traditions were dying out in the early 20th century but have more recently increased in popularity.

is rather unweildy and not indicative of the thrust of the article. Combining the 'sle governance" issue is confusing, and the emphasis on language odd. The "celtic derived tranditions dying out" again, just adds to the general oddnes. Could I suggest it should be reduced to"

"Cornwall has a cultural history, as well as cultural events and arts which are unique to the county, some of which are are believd to be celtic in origin." Serpren 05:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

references[edit]

If no-one else does these I'll do them at some point, I wrote most of the 1st draft of this article so should be able to find books for it. WPM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.63.250 (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish food[edit]

Isn't it a bit daft that the "Cornish Food" entry on the "Cornwall" page has more information, and is a more varied and informative section than the one on the "Cornish Culture" page? Shouldn't the information be transposed?Serpren (talk) 08:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish sport[edit]

The following paragraph is rather illiterate, and contradicts itself;

Rugby union has the largest following in Cornwall with the Cornish team often drawing very large crowds of supporters, dubbed Trelawny's Army. Football and Cricket are played more, with most villages and towns having clubs, but it is Rugby that captures the imagination and when the Cornish rugby team go to play in the county championships everyone in Cornwall takes big notice of the events. If the side reaches the finals at Twickenham Stadium, home of the English Rugby Union, as many as 50,000 Cornishmen (a tenth of the population) go to see the final. The last success was in 1999, when Cornwall beat Gloucestershire.

Rugby union has the largest following, but football (soccer) and cricket are played more?

“If the team makes the finals”, which it last did in 1999, hardly makes it a regular event.

Everyone in Cornwall takes big notice of the events?!?

I think this section is in need of a rewrite!Serpren (talk) 07:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that "the largest following" refers to fanbase, while "played more" refers to actual players - that is to say, more people go to watch rugby than any other sport in Cornwall, but more people play football and cricket than play rugby. DuncanHill (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right Duncan, but the item is still illiterate, and not of 'encyclopedia" standard, don't you think? I'm happy to rewrite it if given the nod Serpren (talk) 04:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it to Rugby union has a large following in Cornwall. The followers of the county side are dubbed Trelawny's Army. Football and Cricket are played in most villages and towns. Cornwall made the County Championships finals, played at Twickenham Stadium in 1999, with Cornwall beating Gloucestershire to win the cup.

I've omitted the estimated attendance by Cornish supporters, as I could find nothing online to back it up.

Anyone who would like to expand, or alter it, please do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpren (talk • contribs) 03:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page maintenance[edit]

Threads in this page had become rather confused. I have added signatures/timestamps to unsigned comments, and have also returned the threads to their natural order - oldest at the top, newest at the bottom. I have also added a "talk page header" to the top of the page, which has some useful reminders. DuncanHill (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fallacy of historical cornish dress[edit]

The section on cornish kilts should be completey rewritten. There is no evidence whatsoever of the cornish wearing kilts for more than 60 years, not several centuries. The very obscure carving on a bench of what appears to possibly resemble a kilt is not evidence of cornish kilt wearing, I have seen the carving and it could be a dress, blacksmiths apron etc. There is NO written testimony of kilt wearing in cornwall, there is no eye witness accounts from internal and external sources in britain. The cornish never wore kilts, please change this and stop polluting cornish celtic culture with false histories and accounts, it weakens the cornish position as a celtic nation.

The accounts of cornish kilt wearing on this article also contradicts the article written specifically on kilts on wikipedia - Although not a traditional component of national dress outside Scotland, the kilt has become recently popular in the other Celtic nations as a sign of Celtic identity.[7] Kilts and tartans can therefore also be seen in Wales, Cornwall, the Isle of Man, Brittany, the Tras-os-Montes region in the North of Portugal, and Galicia in Spain, as well as parts of England, particularly the North East

I would also like to refer you to the curator of the kilt museum and kilt historian Matthew A.C Newsome - http://blog.albanach.org/2005/07/oh-dear.html , http://blog.albanach.org/2005/04/kilt-pan-celtic-garment.html

James louis 78.148.102.194 (talk) 14:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who are you talking to? If you want to change something, change it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been changed to reflect the history of kilt wearing in cornwall more accurately 78.148.102.194 (talk) 18:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket[edit]

Some more information about this would be useful: there is certainly a great interest in it in some areas.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A little more found, but there should be a preference for more sporting content here, rather than under Cornwall given that Sport in Cornwall is a redirect.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
More recently the account of Sport has been made a separate article, with some paragraphs repeated here. Few additions are likely to be needed here.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking[edit]

"Tagging for cleanup - Cornwall et al don't need linking every time they appear". Jza84, Sept. 5 2009--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish Art[edit]

should we create a new article on Cornish art, there's a lot more that can be said of it I'm sure, Cornwall is famous for it after all.Bodrugan (talk) 23:23, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Cousin Jack cousin Jenny?[edit]

What about "cousin Jack" and "cousin Jenny"? Why are these archetypes associated with Cornwall or Cornish culture? As I understand it, Jack and Jenny were the most popular given names at some point circa 1850-1900, but doesn't seem to be mentioned here. Anyone? Donama (talk) 06:20, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The terms are mentioned, but not properly explained, at the Cornish diaspora article. Apparently it's because Cornish emigrants to the US or Australia, mainly in the mining industry, used to claim that they had cousins back at home who were also needing work. Sources here, here, here, here, etc. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Tin mine[edit]

I recently identified the mine in the photo at top as Wheal Owles. The file talk on Commons indicated that the photographer themselves didn't know it.

It occurs to me though that Wheal Coates is a much more common symbol of Cornwall and might be a better example for this article.

- Keith D. Tyler 23:46, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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