Talk:Crucifixion (song)

Date of Phil Ochs' 1969 Vancouver Concert

This is for Malik Shabazz: David Cohen is mistaken about the date of Ochs' Vancouver concert at the PNE Garden Auditorium. It was Thursday, March 13, 1969. Check out this primary source (see page six of the .pdf page below, which is "pfage 2wo" of the Page Friday section of the March 7, 1969 edition of the Ubyssey (The University of British Columbia's student newspaper). The article was by Stan Persky, now a Vancouver professor (Ginsberg was a friend of his, too). The Persky article has the date of a Ginsberg reading at the UBC Student Union Building and also of the concert in question. Please tell David Cohen about it if you're in touch with him (it could be corrected in any future printing).

http://www.library.ubc.ca/archives/pdfs/ubyssey/UBYSSEY_1969_03_07.pdf

Burkeophile (talk) 04:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. I'm not sure David Cohen's sold enough books to warrant a second printing (50 Phil Ochs fans can't be wrong!), but I'll pass along the information if I can find his e-mail address. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 05:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Clarification needed

The second paragraph of the "the song" section is a bit unclear; it talks about how the song is interpreted as an allegory, without even saying what it is at the surface. (It says it's "about the rise and fall of a hero", which is pretty vague.) It might help to be a bit more specific what the lyrics say. You might be interested in looking at "Nothing to My Name" as an example (there are many other good examples, of course; this just happens to be the one I'm most familiar with). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. That's a good point. I'll expand that section of the article over the next few days. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Subject & Tradition

I read somewhere, and I do not remember where, that eventually Ochs said that the song is about Jesus. It could have been at the Ochs' website.

If that can be sourced, and I think it can, then mention should be made that the chorus uses the theme of the dance as do Tomorrow Shall Be My Dancing Day and Lord of the Dance. The first has "dance" as the last word of each verse, most generally as "To call my true love to the dance" Lord of the Dance has dancing throughout and the chorus of "Crucifixion" is "Dance, dance, dance. Teach us to be true. Dance, Dance, Dance. For we love you." JimCubb (talk) 01:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)