Talk:Cromwell's Other House

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Hereditary?[edit]

Was the upper house meant to be hereditary? Were appointments meant to be for life? --Jfruh (talk) 13:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No the members were nominated for life (much as what happens today with life peers -- PBS (talk) 10:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation[edit]

I am deleting this article and replacing it with a stub. See User:PBS/BCWs copyright issues --PBS (talk) 12:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the article and I am replacing it with new one.

This is because Wikipedia Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License allows commercial distribution, but the current licence used by the British Civil War website is Attribution-Non-Commercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported, which places a restriction "Non-Commercial — You may not use this work for commercial purposes." which the Wikipedia license does not.

Providing the requirements of the Terms of Use and WP:plagiarism are met there is no reason why information from the British Civil War website can not be summarised and and cited like any other copyright text. But it can not be copied under its copyleft licence into Wikipedia articles because its licence is more restrictive than the Wikipedia licence. -- PBS (talk) 13:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other House[edit]

For those who do not know, the usual parliamentary language used to describe the other house in the two house legislator used in Westminster is "the other house" and "the other place", (it still is:[1][2]

As can be seen from the reference below there is some confusion over the name of the other house, but "Other House" is not uncommon.

Here is a document from Parliament's document search engin Portcullis Portcullis - Gateway to the Parliamentary Archives - Over 500 ...

Extended content
Records of the House of Lords
Records of the House of Lords: Parliament Office
Records of the House of Lords: Parliamentary Archives and predecessor bodies
Parliamentary Archives: Manuscript Collection
RefNo HL/PO/RO/1/52
Title Manuscript copy of the Journal of the 'Other House', 1658-1659
Date Feb 1906
Level File
Extent&Form 1 volume
AdminBiogHist On 5 March 1657 the House of Commons decided that there should be two Houses of Parliament, as existed before the abolition of the House of Lords in 1649. This second chamber would be known as the 'Other House' and would be composed of people nominated for life by Oliver Cromwell, the Lord Protector. The 'Other House' sat for just two sessions, before the House of Lords was re-instated following the Restoration in 1660.
CreatorName Unknown
ArchivalHistory The original document is part of a collection of Cromwelliania collected by Sir Richard Tangye.
Acquisition Unknown
FormerArchivalRef Historical Collection 57
ScopeContent Twentieth-century manuscript entitled 'Journals of the House of Lords from the 20th of January 1657 to the 22nd April 1659'. The document begins with a copy of the Writ of Summons, and a list of those the writ was directed to, 9 Dec 1657. It continues with details of the proceedings of the 'Other House', 20 Jan-4 Feb 1657/8 and 27 Jan-22 April 1659.
AccessStatus Open
Language English
PhysicalDescription Manuscript volume
Originals The original document is held by the Museum of London, London Wall, London EC2Y 5HN (reference 46.78/11a).
Publications The Journal is printed in extenso in The Manuscripts of the House of Lords, Volume IV (New Series) 1699-1702, pp 503-567. For further information see also 'The Protectorate House of Lords, commonly known as Cromwell's 'Other House', 1657-1659' in 'The Complete Peerage', eds. V Gibbs et al (1916 edn, London, 1910-1998, 14 vols), iv, pp 585-648.
Archivist Relisted for CALM carried out by Nick White in August 2001.
Location 19
Other records related to this one:
Go HL/PO/JO/1 Records of the House of Lords: Journal Office: Original Journals 1510 - 2006

-- PBS (talk) 09:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tiding with Pride the popular[edit]

"A foundling in a church porch. He was at first a drayman, but by Tiding with Pride the popular, party established a brewery." - is something garbled here? Moonraker2 (talk) 07:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

yes and an OCR error "A foundling in a church porch. He was at first a drayman, but by siding with the popular party, Pride established a brewery." -- PBS (talk) 09:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Makes much better sense, although perhaps not complete sense! Moonraker2 (talk) 19:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1up verses 2up[edit]

does not default to the first page of the volume in my browser. -- PBS (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shows a view of two pages because of the "2up" at the end of the string

Shows a view of one page because of the "1up" at the end of the string

Therefore:

shows one page.

Shows two pages the first being 584 it does not default to the start of the book. -- PBS (talk) 23:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. And yes, it is better to link to page 585 directly. Opera hat (talk) 10:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TOC[edit]

For my reversal of the edit that removed __TOC__ see Talk:List of knights banneret of England#TOC -- PBS (talk) 10:49, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@user:Magioladitis As you can see this one is different from List of knights banneret of England. I suggest that if you do no want information under the TOC then you consider putting in a suitable section header and not moving the TOC to the left or right as the information from the TOC down is not part of the lead. -- PBS (talk) 15:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
the lead is too long so I have put back the TOC. If anyone does not link it then I suggest a section heading for the first section, rather than moving the TOC down the page. -- PBS (talk) 11:36, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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