Talk:Craft Lake City

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References[edit]

The reference section needs a ton of work.Vanishingcattle (talk) 06:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of COI at play here. I think this has received coverage from sources other than SLUG, which appears instrumental in writing this article. 76.248.149.98 (talk) 01:10, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Though Craft Lake City was founded by the editor of SLUG Magazine, they are two separate organizations. I just saw that other craft fairs also have Wikipedia pages and thought there should be one for Craft Lake City. Can you please give me some suggestions on how you think I could make this page more neutral?--Slugmagazine (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would coverage that SLUG has posted, but that isn't related to the magazine be COI? For example, Park City TV has a video clip where they give information about Craft Lake City, but it's posted by SLUG on YouTube. --Slugmagazine (talk) 18:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My take is that it's all COI: the editor and publisher of SLUG founded CLC, and your username suggests, well, let's say the likelihood of a connection (In fact, usernames which imply representation of an entity are routinely blocked--it's not permitted here). If I were invested in the article I'd remove all SLUG links, and use only unaffiliated news organizations as sources. Additionally, I'm not clear that SLUG constitutes an acceptable source, per WP:RELIABLE. 76.248.149.98 (talk) 02:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In rereading the article, it's apparent that all or nearly all the references are to CLC's website, which is not considered a neutral reliable source. There are other sources: [1], [2], [3], which would avoid the obvious connection to the fair's founder and sponsoring magazine. 76.248.149.98 (talk) 13:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you. SLUG is a reliable source, it's a reputable magazine that has been around for almost 23 years, but I see how with its connection to CLC, it can't be used as a source. I'm working on resourcing everything now to third parties and will hopefully have all of the CLC references replaced in the next couple of days. As for my personal connection, I'm a volunteer contributor at SLUG, but am not related to Craft Lake City aside from writing about music for the magazine and having attended the event the past couple of years, just thought it was an event that should have a Wikipedia page since it's similar in scale to Renegade Craft Fair and some others that also have Wiki pages. Is that still COI?--Slugmagazine (talk) 22:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed all of the references so that they are neither related to Craft Lake City or SLUG.--Slugmagazine (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work; I've removed the maintenance templates. Many users either go ballistic or give up when confronted with the standard Wikipedia guidelines, taking them as personal affronts. Regarding your username, you may want to read policy at WP:ORGNAME. Cheers, 76.248.149.98 (talk) 01:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all of your help! I submitted a request to change my username, so hopefully that will make everything legit. Thanks again. --Slugmagazine (talk) 20:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging[edit]

I thought that all of the issues in this page had been resolved, can someone explain to me why it has been tagged with these problems again?--SaltCityEM (talk) 21:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly not, therwise I would not have been tagging.

About the references: all your references are press releases or announcements by the organizing committee. In most cases, these are not useful as sources. The article misses independent, reliable third party sources.

About the copy-editing: the text contain, amongst others, peacock terms, like "affordably-priced items", "Free to attend", and a list of non-notable performers. Maybe the performers are of huge local interest, they are not relevant for wikipedia. Also, the article lacks internal links.

About notability: without proper sources, notability can not be judged. A three year old festival with 12.000 visitors is not very convincing. The festivals should show that is more on offer then being just another local festival.

Still, it might by that the festival is notable. That is why I not nominated it for deletion, but that I tagged it. Now you can work on the article, without the immediate threat of removal. I know my comments sounds harsh, but I believe that you can improve the article enough to make even me happy. Night of the Big Wind _talk 21:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've gone through and changed the "peacock" terms and added internal links. As for Craft Lake City's notability and the notability of the performers listed, I'd like to direct you to The Renegade Craft Fair, Maker Faire and Bazaar Bizarre which I used as a guide in writing this article, along with other wiki pages on not only arts and craft festivals, but very specific "local" attractions and performers, such as Anime St. George and the List of Utah musical groups. Craft Lake City is an event in Salt Lake, but every event is based out of somewhere "local." The artists who are part of Craft Lake City are nationally and internationally recognized, as many of them attend craft and art festivals such as Renegade and Flatstock across the nation and beyond, and have their own websites where they sell their wares to anyone with Internet access. The bands and performers at Craft Lake City are locally based musicians, but many are also touring bands who have been featured in magazines such as Decibel, and some have even been signed to major labels. Though they may not have the record sales worthy of their own Wiki pages, I would argue that they are notable because of this. As for the references I used, the article was previously tagged because all of my references were Craft Lake City press releases or information from the Craft Lake City website, I have since changed all of those references to third parties, which is why the tag was removed. So if you could please tell me which references you are referring to, I would appreciate it. Thanks for your time. --SaltCityEM (talk) 21:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]