Talk:Clannad

Redirection for Clannad (visual novel)

I'm standing firm on this issue, I've deleted the redirection option to Clannad (visual novel) at the top of this page, because it doesn't exist on that page giving you the option to defer to the Clannad article. Why should one rule not apply to the other.If someone typed in CLANNAD looking for the article about the group there would be no mention of it at all in that article.--MaxPride (talk) 19:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Because when people search for "Clannad", they come here, and they may well be searching for Clannad (visual novel), not the other way around. CLANNAD redirects to the game since that's the original spelling of the visual novel, and this band's name is not written in all caps, hence the redirection to the game for CLANNAD. Pretty much, no one is going to go to Clannad (visual novel) trying to look for the article on the band, but many people will come to this band's article looking for the visual novel. That's just how it is.--十八 22:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Make it the other way around. Popularity votes requieres it. Makes no sense of typing in clannad and seeing this band first instead of other way around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.43.174 (talk) 04:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that would be utterly retarded. Clannad (the band), the name clearly explained multiple times in their history as a linguistic blend of the Gaelic Clann As Dobhar, has been active since 1972 and has spearheaded a specific style of music on their own and additionally as an influence to many other bands. "Clannad", the novel/game, was created in 2004 with NO explanation of why they chose that name for the Latin-alphabet spelling, other than a rumored summation that the creator may have liked Clannad (the band). ₪— CelticWonder (T·C) 04:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC) "

I've just put a dablink on Clannad (visual novel) to Clannad. Let's see if it stays there. I agree that it's unlikely that someone would search for the band using all caps, but it's not impossible. Northernhenge (talk) 19:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, just like it's not impossible that the world may end tomorrow, but that doesn't mean we have to prepare for the end either. There is not even mention in this article about a possible spelling of the band's name as CLANNAD, and any attempt to add it in would be considered original research and would have to be removed. Since the band's name is never official spelling in all caps, Wikipedia cannot cater to some people that might spell it in all caps.--十八 00:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

The dablink was removed from the Japanese Visual Novel. If it removed once more, the it should be removed also from this article. Fair is fair. (Anon)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.32.243 (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry, but you don't understand how dablinks are meant to be used. I don't want to repeat myself forever, so read my earlier replies.--十八 04:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I do in fact know how they work. No need to repeat yourself. As they have the same spelling, I think it is quite adequate, regardless of their cases, that they link to and from each other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.0.153 (talk) 23:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I have again removed the dablink. Please note that the Clannad novel is in fact not officially spelled in caps, therefor if linking to Clannad (visual novel) from Clannad (the band), I believe that these links should be reciprocal. Both are spelled in exactly the same way. The point of Wikipedia is to give each user a learning experience and a wealth of knowledge. If one thing is called Clannad, one purpose is to explore other things called Clannad - to build general knowledge. The Dablink therefor must be added to BOTH pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.201.135 (talk) 22:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you see the logo on Clannad (visual novel)? Look very carefully now, and answer this question: Does it look like "Clannad" or "CLANNAD"? The point is that the visual novel is official spelled in all caps, but due to WP:MOS-JP the title is decapped. You're just trying to make Wikipedia work the way you want it to, but that's not going to happen.--十八 01:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The visual novel is not officialy spelt in caps, the Official name is spelt クラナド (notice kanji, not caps). The caps is given to the english title as a way to make it stand out. Going on what you say, Halo should be renamed to HALO, Sonic the Hedgehog to SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, Fable to FABLE etc. Caps is not a form of naming something, it is a way to grab attention, magazines do it all the time. look at KERRANG or GAMES MASTER for example. It's not meant to be spelt in all caps, as that is gramatically incorrect, it is a marketing device. Personally, I think that typing in the word "Clannad" should bring up the disambiguation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.201.76 (talk) 02:20, May 17, 2009 (UTC)

There's no policy or guideline on this. Right now people searching on Clannad could be searching for the band or the novel. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 22:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with NeilN and 86.157.201.135, but they are making different points. I agree with both points. NeilN's point is about searching, and I still think someone might search for the band or the comic using any combination of upper and lower case. 86.157.201.135's point is about the structure of the information stored in Wikipedia. The two articles are related because they have the same name and therefore the appropriate link in both directions is a dab link, not (just) a wikilink. My conclusion is that the links should be there. The complication is that the Clannad (visual novel) community do not want the link to be there. To be honest, I'm not bothered about this particular example but the general points (searching and information structure) suggest to me that the links should be there. We need an admin opinion on this, but I'm fairly new around here so I don't know how to get one or how definitive it would be in any case. --Northernhenge (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Can someone request admin advice?--Filastin (talk) 17:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation Proposal

Disambiguation links on Clannad and Clannad (visual novel) keep on being added and removed. To resolve this situation how about moving Clannad to Clannad (band), creating a new Clannad disambiguation page, and pointing both Clannad and CLANNAD to it? --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 00:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

_{(Also note that this is simultaneously being discussed at Clannad (visual novel).) --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 01:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)}

I think that the disambiguation should happen, to end this whole arguement. CLANNAD fanatics are adding a dablink, Clannad fanatics are removing it, therefore the disambiguation would end all of this. It should also be noted that CLANNAD points to the visual novel, and Clannad to the band. Either both pages contain dablinks or none of them do.. or this proposal goes ahead. It's quite simple. I have posted this on CLANNAD discussion as well.

I agree with the proposal as well. Since there already seems to be some agreement on this, I think I may as well go ahead with the creation of a disambiguation page linking both Clannad and CLANNAD there. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 14:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

There hasn't been any edit wars in ages over this, why now the decision to restart an old conversation and move things when everything had settled? I take it you're a visual novel fan? haha ^.^ I'm just looking at the 'move' page's warning: Warning! This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding.. Filastin (talk) 23:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

My opinion may be influenced by having scottish ancestry, but I think the above section is very practical. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 01:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Welsh???

I see that 92.4.18.66 reports that Clannad have performed in Welsh. Is there any evidence for this? --Northernhenge (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• The band have never performed in Welsh.--Theosony (talk) 17:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Bias

In "Buachaill Ón Éirne" they took a traditional Irish song from their native Donegal and handled it with great tenderness and understatedness. It was the first time ever such a song featured on a chart-topping comercial album, something Clannad went on to pioneer in. Their diversity was incredibly stark, with sombre songs, traditional songs and upbeat pop songs standing side-by-side.

When Macalla was released, the listening public began to be more accepting of the mainstream material that appeared heavily on the record. Songs such as the pop-flavoured "Closer to Your Heart" and the powerful ballad "Almost Seems (Too Late To Turn)" were successful singles for the quintet. The latter even served as the official Children In Need single for 1985.

This article reads like a review with a huge bias towards the group. The above section is an example. Where did this album top the charts exactly? And how were the singles 'successful' - they both flopped in the UK Charts.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 06:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• If they flopped, a reference here would be helpful. Until you can come up with those references the paragraphs should stay as they are until contributors of any preference towards the band gather the appropriate sources.--Theosony (talk) 17:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:NPOV we should stay away from these sorts of value judgements. We merely report what they did that can be sourced. Any opinions about the success or otherwise needs to be sourced and balanced. I've removed some of the purpler prose meantime, and added a few fact tags. --John (talk) 17:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Lol xD I didn't say they didn't flop. I was being devil's advocate to the guy who claimed they did with no sources. On a more serious note, the bias on their soundtrack work is mortifying, anyone have any ideas for a clean-up?Filastin (talk) 23:47, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Change?

This discussion has moved to a mediation cabal case. Please express opinions there.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I was a bit surprised to see Clannad (musical group) moved to the subpage. Everyone seemed happy with the dablink and there was no discussion about creating a disambiguation page lately in which anyone had a proper chance to comment. Filastin (talk) 23:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC) That would be the person being bold. Everyone has done the right thing though glad you started an RfC and didn't just leave it at a revert. --Sin Harvest (talk) 03:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC) The thing is, there were few, if any edits when it came to the for the... go to X links over the past year. Disambiguation pages are also pages I want to see when there is a huge array of articles that share the same name, not two results. Another point is that Clannad (for the musical group) is a popular page, as Google (I'm using Google Ireland) will show you. It's added sublinks and only does that with popular pages (See 'Google webmaster tools'). The thing is it was much better as it was, with little or no edit warring in recent months and with everyone nice and cosy finding out more about their favourite band or visual novel/manga (: Filastin (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC) Visual novel/manga/anime/book/movie/OSTs =P, back to the matter at hand though, Google Australia and Google "International" has Clannad (visual novel) in the lead. --Sin Harvest (talk) 03:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC) Comment: There are several reasons to infer that this page should be in higher demand than the visual novel page. The musical group is older, eight times older, in fact; their work has been recognised by a very significant, respected critical organisation; their oeuvre has higher sales figures, particularly in the English-speaking world. Though significance is not a matter of numbers alone, numbers do matter when we can't make qualitative distinctions. AtSwimTwoBirds (talk) 02:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC) Google results has more hits as "Clannad anime" over "Clannad folk". I would have used "Clannad music" as a search term but you get the mix of reviews and download links of Clannad anime OST as well which kind of spoils the whole comparison. Having said that I'm confident that both topics are very significant and respected within their own spheres. Misleading comparison. "Folk" is a genre description, whereas "anime" is a medium description. It's unfair to compare the significance and critical acclaim of the music group, who have won their industry's leading award, with an anime which does not appear from its article to have won awards of comparable status within its genre. AtSwimTwoBirds (talk) 19:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC) I explained why I used "folk" instead of something like "music", I expected that people would gather from my entire comments that the results were/are to be taken with a grain of salt. Also does the anime industry have comparable awards to compare with?--Sin Harvest (talk) 12:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Also the idea just popped into my head to use "Clannad Band" for a Google search comparison, not that it matters since I was never disputing that the Clannad band was not significant just that both topics were equally significant. --Sin Harvest (talk) 12:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Support Disambiguation - Usually the best unbiased way of settling these things, more often then not if you don't disambiguate these pages someone will come along be bold and do it (again) which is fine assuming a discussion like this isn't already sitting in the active (not archived) talk page. I see no strong reason why one article should be favoured over the other, both have strong Google hits, both are rather notable in their own catergories, both are well written, etc, etc --Sin Harvest (talk) 03:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC) Comment - Clannad_(visual_novel) has twice the number of views than this article. --NeilN talk to me 04:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC) Unclear comparison. It compares views, not unique users. Cartoon fans are probably heavier users of Wikipedia than folk music fans, but it doesn't mean there are more of them. AtSwimTwoBirds (talk) 19:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC) Comment I would be generally against the use of Clannad (disambiguation) since there's only the two main articles, and the other three articles on that disambig page can be easily found in their respective parent articles. I don't see a problem with how it's been since Clannad (visual novel) was created, and I don't agree that this article needs a disambig like "(musical group)" or "(band)" or whatever. And it's not about popularity of views, NeilN, since before the anime adaptation aired for Clannad (visual novel), I assure you the article wasn't that popular. It's a question of notability. Clannad (the band) are much more internationally notable than Clannad (the visual novel, anime, manga, etc.) no matter how you try to spin it, so keep it the way it's been.--十八 05:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC) But the Wikipedia traffic statistics shows that for the past three years since the Anime appeared (ironically the statistics only go that far back) that the Clannad (Visual novel) article has repeatedly had more views then the Clannad article. Also "Clannad Anime" Google search gets a slightly higher hit then "Clannad band". I know all these stuff doesn't mean a lot on it's own but honestly I can't agree that the Clannad band is more notable then Clannad (the visual novel, anime, manga, etc.). I have no problem accepting that they are equally notable though. --Sin Harvest (talk) 12:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Support disambiguation: I was the one who recently moved this page to Clannad (disambiguation). The reason is because the last comments on this issue in the #Disambiguation Proposal section seemed to be in agreement with the proposal and yet no one took the bold step of making the move for nearly two years. I think it's about time discussion on this issue resumed. I for one had personally not heard of the band until I started looking for the anime on Wikipedia, and I'm sure it must be the same for many other Wikipedia users, since it's quite clear from various internet statistics (whether from Google or Wikipedia) that the Clannad franchise (visual novel, light novel, manga, film, anime) is currently more popular on the internet than the Clannad musical band. While the Clannad band has been around for longer and won various musical awards (including the Grammy), the Clannad visual novel franchise is also equally notable within its own respective field(s). Not only is it arguably the most popular visual novel of all time in Japan (topping various audience polls there), but its anime adaptation is also the highest user-rated anime on various popular English-language anime rankings as well. I don't see any reason why we should assume that the musical band is more notable than the visual novel franchise, especially when taking into account the currently higher internet popularity of the visual novel franchise (which has only increased in popularity over the last two years, if anything). As such, I think it would be more appropriate to move this article to the Clannad (band) page and move Clannad (disambiguation) to this page. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 16:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Making a change merely because one thing is "more popular on the Internet" makes no sense. The notability of something is not proportional to how much it is talked about on the net; see WP:N. Also, perhaps you may not have heard of the band, but making the outrageous claim that "I'm sure it must be the same for many other Wikipedia users" is nothing short of baseless speculation, especially when you consider that the only people who know about Clannad (VN/anime/etc) are those interested in anime/manga, an already niche culture by itself, but made even more niche by the fact that the anime adaptation of Clannad is not a mainstream or hugely popular anime compared to others (Eva, FMA, Naruto, etc) and then most of the time, people who even know about the anime will be clueless it's based on a VN (unless they read the article or hear it from somewhere else). Compare this with Clannad, the band, who have been around for 40 years and have won many notable awards. Lastly, making a bold decision based on merely 2 comments (one of them unsigned no less) from a close to 2 year old discussion is not something that screams agreement or consensus; it just means practically no one responded at all.--十八 01:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC) The Clannad visual novel article has been getting more hits than the Clannad band article (as has already been pointed out above), so no, it's not an "outrageous claim" nor "baseless speculation" to suggest that there are many users who would be searching for the visual novel rather than the band. Irish folk music is also a niche genre within the music industry, just as anime/manga is a niche culture, so I don't see what relevance your comments about "niche culture" has. Also, the high-ranking visual novel and DVD sales in Japan would suggest that Clannad is not so niche there, but rather mainstream. Also, the Clannad visual novel article covers the more popular anime adaptation as well, so I don't see how your comment regarding this is relevant either. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 03:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC) Unique hits on the article would be a much better test of which article was in more demand than just hits. One person may reference the same article several times for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean it's more relevant than the article that more people look for. 64.252.124.196 (talk) 06:21, 1 February 2010 (UTC) @64.252.124.196 Yes that would be a much better test if we had that data (not saying it doesn't exist but I personally wouldn't know where to start looking). @十八 Your making a bit of speculation yourself when you say "that the only people who know about Clannad (VN/anime/etc) are those interested in anime/manga". We need to base this decision on on the average user not one who is a music fan nor one who is an Anime,etc fan. Age of something doesn't necessarily mean that something is more notable then a younger topic for example we certainly wouldn't say Windows 3.11 is more notable then Windows 7 what matters is how notable are the subjects are the present time. We have two relatively weak pieces of statistics which show that both articles are notable in their own right - one being Google but we should take into account GHits and the second that both articles have relatively high non-unique hits. I don't see any reason why one article should be preferred over the other and don't see a problem with disambiguating just because it is only two articles. --Sin Harvest (talk) 04:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC) I think it should remain a disambiguation. A100128-000237 (talk) 14:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Comment -- AGAINST DAB - Clannad (band) should remain the main article as "popularity by numbers" don't mean anything. The band is clearly much more of a mainstay in worldwide culture than this passing fad of a game/novel. As mentioned here, the writer only named the series because of a misunderstanding of what the "word" meant (even though it's from many words, as the band has explained). If I created a novel called "Microsoft" about tiny fluffy bunnies, and it quickly became popular in China, does that mean it should bump the corporate wiki page? CERTAINLY NOT. ₪— CelticWonder (T·C) " 23:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC) The etymology of the name for the topic doesn't really mean anything (if Microsoft was a random name pick from a hat does it mean the subject becomes less relevant?). If you created a novel called "Microsoft" and it quickly became popular in China then should it bump the corporate wiki page? Well that depends on how popular it becomes, although everything says it is unlikely to happen but if the word "Microsoft" starts being synonymous with another topic then Wikipedia should change to reflect it (though we should consider temporary popularity in that decision). Finally as for "popularity by numbers" I've mentioned it at least twice already - it doesn't mean much on it's own but we should take it into consideration. --Sin Harvest (talk) 12:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Regular RfC period is over and I take it we don't have consensus? If not I'll escalate in a day or so. --Sin Harvest (talk) 12:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Probably not. Out of curiosity, where are you going to escalate to? Is the issue that important? --NeilN talk to me 16:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Probably Mediation Cabal, the issue isn't particularly important (aka we aren't edit warring or anything) but better it is better to get this out of the way for good (while we have civil and level headed people around) instead of having this happen again in 2 years time. --Sin Harvest (talk) 01:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Maire teaching gaelic to Bono?

Is the version of "In A Lifetime" on the album, Macalla, different than the version on Anam? The article states:

It contained all original material except one traditional song and yielded the group a hit single "In a Lifetime", a duet with U2's Bono (which begins with Máire being heard teaching Gaelic to Bono).

No such teaching exists with the Anam version.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Listen more closely; it happens between 0:04 and 0:19 of the song in the background of the harp/keyboard/double bass instrumental. Both albums contain the same version, only the Anam re-release of the song is equalized slightly different. The note about Moya/Bono is a confirmation from a public online chat Moya did in IRC years ago (as well as mentioned in passing when asked by curious listeners at concerts and such), but is likely not published anywhere online (an easter-egg, more than anything else). ₪— CelticWonder (T·C) " 16:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

"Hard to tell or recognize..." :)

Her opening line is apropos. I've been listening to this repeatedly and what I hear is low frequency noise in the background as if played at a slower speed or deep breathing. Do you know what is being said (gaelic/english translation)? I was unable to find anything online...most sites are using cached copies of this article or older versions of it.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I had pasted this here already, but got a lot of things going on (multitasking on WP is only one of those things). I found my pseudo-phonetic transcription I did on it about 11 years ago. Use headphones and listen to the instrumental between 4 seconds and 19 seconds. It's before "Hard to tell...", and sounds like this:

Time (approx)	Who/What is spoken, and where in stereo field
0:02.8	(breathe in, at right)
0:04.5	Male, at left: 'n coh-mah-neesh
0:08.7	both, (echoed): na-na-naga shtee shtees, Male, at right: nah coom blee-ooh
0:11.9	Female, at left: shtee shtee shtees
0:14.8	(breathe in, at left)
0:15.9	both, (echoed): coh-mah shtees coh-lash-stees loo
0:18.0	Male, at right: 'n coh-mah-"witchcraft"(?)
0:19.2	Female, at left: yeh

It was well before Moya became a Celtic Christian, so I dunno. Unfortunately when I asked her about it, she wasn't more clear than that it was her "teaching Bono Gaelic". I swear I thought I saved the chat log, but can't find it. I'm about to ask around a few people and websites who participated if they have it somewhere. ₪— CelticWonder (T·C) " 19:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Go raibh maith agat. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing! I hope you enjoyed this unique discovery now that you have an idea what you're listening for.  :) ₪— CelticWonder (T·C) " 01:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

unplugged album?

Máire's page currently claims that this would be released in 2009, while this page currently has Pádraig saying something similar (in a Feb 2009 interview). Does anybody have an update? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 13:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I wish I could help! All Clannad fans, including myself, have asked this question throughout the years. Clannad have been "working on" a new album for almost 15 years now, but this is the latest news report available [= Filastin (talk) 21:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, clearly I've inadvertently hit a sore spot - sorry! It would probably help the article (and Máire's) if something to this effect was added - do you fancy doing the deed? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 23:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merger of band member biographies

I propose that Ciarán Brennan be merged here, and Pádraig Duggan and Noel Duggan be merged to The Duggans. All three biographies have insufficient content to justify remaining as separate articles. – Fayenatic (talk) 18:28, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done – Fayenatic L (talk) 19:21, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Irish surname spellings

"Clannad are a family band composed of siblings Moya Brennan (Irish: Máire Ní Bhraonáin), Ciarán Brennan (Irish: Ciarán Ó Braonáin), Pól Brennan (Irish: Pól Ó Braonáin)." Why is Maire "bHrao..." and the others "brao...". If it is a mistake, which is wrong? -- SGBailey (talk) 17:32, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

It's correct: it's Gaelic grammar. The initial letter is "aspirated" i.e. an 'h' is added when certain initial letters (including B) are preceded by "Ní" (meaning "daughter of"). It changes the pronunciation from "B" to "Vr". DeCausa (talk) 17:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

It's called Lenition. See this. DeCausa (talk) 17:41, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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Contradiction with Enya

This article says Enya left Clannad in 1981 and Enya says it was 1982. Which is it? Stifle (talk) 08:20, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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"Farewell Tour"

The Web site of the band states that the 2020 Tour will be their final one, especially since one of the band members is now gone. I think it would be a good idea to include that into the main article. I can confirm that there at least is a 2020 tour, sincde I have bought a concert ticket only recently. Alrik Fassbauer (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit : Announcement : https://www.loudersound.com/news/clannad-announce-in-a-lifetime-farewell-uk-tour Alrik Fassbauer (talk) 20:10, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Changed the IPA

I've changed the IPA for "Clannad" in this article from [kl̪ˠan̪ˠad̪ˠ] to [ˈkl̪ˠan̪ˠəd̪ˠ] which I feel is more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radicalkiwi (talk • contribs) 14:42, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Redirect to disambiguation page

Pageview statistics indicate that Clannad (video game) gets roughly as many and often more pageviews than this page per day. I therefore propose switching Clannad to the disambiguation page, not this one. I notice this was discussed above, but it's been more than ten years since. Banedon (talk) 05:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and made this move. Banedon (talk) 01:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

You broke a whole lot of links with that move. Suggest you propose a move discussion to establish clearer consensus. older ≠ wiser 02:46, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 12 August 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus  — Amakuru (talk) 01:52, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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• Clannad → Clannad (musical group)
• Clannad (disambiguation) → Clannad

– Both this page and Clannad (video game) get roughly as many pageviews per day. Banedon (talk) 02:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. No clear 100% primary topic between the two big ones. The safest bet would be to have the disambiguation page at the basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
• Weak support with the exception of a spike the views[[1]] seem to be close enough. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Unless you can show evidence that the video game was not actually named after the band, as with Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together. I believe that is a distinct possibility. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 11:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
  • The game was indeed named after the band. The importance of family is the main theme of the game, and the main scenario writer mistakenly thought clannad meant "family" in Irish instead of looking further into its etymology. Due to its derivation, and the fact that the band is more notable and enduring than the game and its adaptations towards what is a niche market, I also oppose this move.--十八 22:20, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Except for the first months of this year, the page view statistics indicate that the article on the band has significantly higher traffic than other meanings. Otherwise, in terms of broader WP:DPT measures, the other numbers would also seem to suggest the band as a primary topic: Incl WP direct backlinks (477 v 43), Google scholar (549 v 322), etc. Guliolopez (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

The pageviews for Clannad (video game) pre-November 2020 were so low that I couldn't believe it. Checking the history, at the end of December 2020 the article Clannad (visual novel) was renamed to Clannad (video game). Clannad (visual novel) had comfortably more pageviews than Clannad, c.f. [2]. Also the Google Scholar search for Clannad (music) can be misleading - it will after all find results for the music of the game. Searching for Clannad music -game yields 299 results. Banedon (talk) 21:29, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

PS: The RM doesn't say Clannad should be redirected to Clannad_(video game). It says redirect to disambiguation page. Your statistics actually make it seem pretty clear that Clannad (video game) is, at least, nearly as notable as Clannad. Banedon (talk) 21:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. The band has years of built-up momentum, and more staying power than the video game. Certainly the band is primary. Binksternet (talk) 19:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

  Slightly disagree here - Clannad (video game) is really an article about the media franchise, consisting of the VN, the extremely popular anime adaptation (Clannad After Story is the 14th highest rated anime of all time according to MAL users) and various other media. Per Banedon's interpretation of Guliolopez's stats, I think the difference in notability isn't as great as you seem to make it out to be. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Mild Oppose Seems fine as is. North8000 (talk) 00:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
• Weak Support per nom and Banedon's comments. Not a huge deal though, existing hatnotes could probably suffice. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Oh, come on. This is pure WP:RECENTISM. Very clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
• Support. In the multi-year pageviews presented by Banedon, Clannad (visual novel) had consistently higher pageviews than Clannad the band. After the move, is still a lot of traffic to Clannad (visual novel) from links which haven't been cleaned up; it's not clear to me whether they should be added to the pageviews for Clannad (video game) or whether they are already included. Regardless, the results are close, and statistics are generally the most reliable tool when deciding between two pop culture topics. I see no primary topic here. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:14, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
• Support Page views demonstrate there is not a clear primary topic. Recentism is often a factor when it comes to topics like video games, but this appears to be a game series that has been around for as long as Wikipedia itself -- if a subject has been able to run up page views for over a decade and a half, its not recentism in play, and it is really just WP:CRYSTALBALL to assume that in another decade the status quo will change.--Yaksar (let's chat) 15:51, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

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Irish language, not Gaelic

The Irish language is repeatedly called "Gaelic" in this article, despite the fact that Wikipedia's own page calls it, quite correctly, Irish. In two decades I have NEVER heard anyone in Ireland refer to the language otherwise, at least, not while speaking English. In Irish it's "Gaeilge", which is also not "Gaelic". Perhaps only linguists refer to it as Gaelic, when relating the language to others. Since this is not a page about linguistics, it would seem the case is closed. Can someone with more patience than I please change this? Robin726 (talk) 01:56, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Done. Johnro76 (talk) 15:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)