Talk:Clam Lake Canal

Clam Lake Canal was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
March 25, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
February 15, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 3, 2017.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that when Clam Lake Canal freezes over early in the Michigan winter, the lakes on each side remain unfrozen, but when the lakes later freeze over, the canal thaws and flows once more?

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Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment[edit]

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

Clam Lake Canal[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Delist - concerns about close paraphrasing, and accuracy. Iazyges may attempt complete rebuild. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One of Doug Coldwell's noms (see WP:DCGAR), that I intend to run through GAR to preserve it from suffering from the mass delisting. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 07:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notes:

There are (at least) four newspaper.com sources that need to be individually checked, verified, and reviewed for copyvio.
Why are there three different citations to the same visitors bureau? That is, are we citing old info that has changed?
More importantly, the entire Freezing phenomenon section is cited to either very old or inaccessible sources, and it contains the sort of technical detail that DC was known to get wrong. What makes https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC1BJ3R_the-mystery-of-the-clam-lake-canal reliable? I would question this entire section and think it should be rewritten to incorporate modern sources.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:00, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found https://apnews.com/article/cadillac-michigan-traverse-city-archive-lakes-34dcdac54482411ca4ea95ced67d588d but it was written after the DC content on this, so the possibility exists that AP was mimicing Wikipedia; it would be ideal to find better sources that describe the phenom and to make sure we have it right. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Found https://archive.org/details/northernmichigan0000joll/page/82/mode/1up?q=%22Clam+Lake+Canal%22 ... do we know the stream keeps flowing? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:33, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto for https://cadillacmichigan.com/lake-river-angling/ ... it says the canal remains ice free, but doesn't claim the water flows. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's definitely too-close paraphrasing to copyvio from https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC1BJ3R_the-mystery-of-the-clam-lake-canal ... and the text misattributes the explanation to the DNR, when it is one person speaking ... but the original source (a newspaper interview) might be found via newspapers.com SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given the issues, I think a complete rebuilding in my userspace might be the best way to go TBH. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:42, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Iazyges, I assume that means you wouldn't mind delisting here? If the article is built up from scratch, a new GAN would be more appropriate. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:37, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Femke: Sounds good; happy to delist it now and I'll re-run it through GAN later. For what it's worth, this one doesn't seem to have copyright issues so much as sourcing, and misunderstanding of sources. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 19:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

WP:DCGAR[edit]

Until all of the Newspapers.com sources have been evaluated, this article can't be cleared at the CCI. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:41, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted to last version before copyvio; still checking newspaper sources, not done. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Possible copyright problem[edit]

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