Talk:City of Preston, Lancashire

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the 2011 census results have been revealed the populatin and ethnicy on this page needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.30.226.2 (talk) 16:10, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

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Not merged.

I believe this article should be merged into the Preston, Lancashire article as the area of Preston has no real distinct parishes outside the main city centre other than parts of the Fulwood Urban District but the county borough of Preston was already on par with it and appears to be on par with Worcester, England, Manchester and Chester, Cheshire for reference in terms of lack of parishes that are part of the built up area. @Crouch, Swale @Stortford @PamD @Eopsid @Rupples @KeithD thoughts? DragonofBatley (talk) 12:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Preston is not as clear-cut a case as Worcester that we have been discussing here, and I can see the arguments both ways for either merging or keeping them separate. A merged page would need to explain the differences between the built up area and the district, but there's no particular reason why that couldn't be done. If the decision is to merge though, I'd suggest we should separate out the information about the council to a Preston City Council page (which currently redirects to this page) so as not to overload the merged page. Thanks. Stortford (talk) 13:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes if we do merge the district article (which I don't think we should) then yes we should restore Preston City Council that I merged last year. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merger @DragonofBatley I'm not as familiar with Preston as I am with Lancaster, but it looks as if it is a similar case, where Preston, Lancashire is a long-established town/city with a history and urban character, whose exact boundaries may not be statutorily defined, but which has a recognisable identity, while City of Preston is a much wider geographic area, established as a local government entity, with a precisely defined boundary. Parishes and unparished areas don't affect this: inded very few people other than local authority geeks and a subset of Wikipedia editors have ever encountered the word, or concept, "unparished".

Just as I live in City of Lancaster but certainly not in Lancaster, Lancashire, so I imagine the people of Goosnargh do not consider that they live in Preston, although knowing they are in City of Preston and pay its council tax bills. The two existing articles seem to cover the two entities appropriately and should not be merged. PamD 14:03, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as it fails almost all of the criteria, see User:Crouch, Swale/District split#Others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. IMO it doesn't satisfy ANY of the criteria in the table for merging so requires a separate article. @Crouch, Swale - not sure I'm following the meaning behind the tick in column no. 5. Although previously named Preston Rural the settlements therein are distinct from the town of Preston. Rupples (talk) 00:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Rupples: Because Leyland and Chorley are in Preston built-up-area but not district. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:04, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the comments opposing the meger. Family members who live in the parishes of Broughton and Barton, very much believe that they live in Preston and are proud Prestonians. Greenway26 (talk) 09:37, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@DragonofBatley As DankJae has just pointed out in an edit summary, there should have been "Merge" templates added to both articles, to alert interested readers. See WP:Merging. PamD 04:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added the second template. Klbrain (talk) 17:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral I live in Preston and can see both sides. In a very real sense there is no difference between "Preston" and "City of Preston". Yes if you live in Fulwood you might use that, if you live in Cottam you might use that. Overall, though, Preston is Preston, we're not like, say, Manchester with distinct communities such as Didsbury or Wythenshawe. I understand that there is the division between Preston and Fulwood which people might want to retain in different articles. doktorb _words^deeds 10:13, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. You only have to look at the map. By eye I estimate that the contiguous built-up area surrounding the city centre (and within the district) is no more than one-third of the area of the whole district. -- Dr Greg talk 11:08, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm closing this as there is no realistic prospect of merging given the consensus in over a month and a half. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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