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Did you know... that Alexander Selkirk was travelling on the British galleon Cinque Ports when he was abandoned on the uninhabited Pacific island of Juan Fernández in 1704 and that his tale inspired the story of Robinson Crusoe?

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A government ship?[edit]

Not HMS Cinque Ports (1703)? --Wetman 09:58, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

possibly (and quite likely too), but I have no knowledge of that. Do you? - Ian ≡ talk 10:15, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Cinque Ports, like its companion ship the St George, was an armed merchantman and not a Royal Navy ship. Confusion possibly stems from a statement in the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica article that "Dampier commanded two government privateers". — Dr.Gulliver (talk) 13:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Loss of ship and crew[edit]

"with the loss of most of her crew." - is this true? I'm pretty sure I saw a TV documentary about Selkirk, which said that after it sank its crew were picked up by either a French or Spanish ship (I forget which) and spent several years imprisoned by them. I believe Selkirk got home before the captain did. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 10:16, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain about that but don't have the reference at my fingertips right now. I will respond asap. - Ian ≡ talk 10:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

a fairly quick search found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/europe/oddities_europe.shtml (see 3rd last para) - Ian ≡ talk 10:34, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Could be mixing up shipwrecked crew with the recaptured Stradling. Rogers writes that the Cinque Ports foundered off the coast of present-day Colombia. Captain Stradling and the surviving members of his crew were made prisoners of the Spanish. Stradling was returned to Europe "in a French ship, some months after we [i.e. Rogers and the rescued Selkirk] left the South Seas." — Dr.Gulliver (talk) 13:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Description of ship[edit]

The description of the Cinque Ports as a "galleon" is misleading - it is usually described as a galley. And where the idea of it being a "government" ship came from is a mystery - both the Cinque Ports and the St George were privateers. It would be interesting to have the source for the dimensions quoted for the Cinque Ports - 150 foot long seems very dubious for a 90-ton ship. Tiercelin1852 09:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the size of the Cinque Ports, its letter of marque indicates the ship was about 130 tons burthen. Other details including armament and complement differ from Funnell's account; but as these could just possibly have been modified prior to sailing have left them unchanged for now. — Dr.Gulliver (talk) 13:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The terminology is confusing. This could not have been an actual galley any more than the Charles Galley was. The term "galley" was used by several navies that didn't actually have genuine galleys (like row galleys), which is essentially a Mediterranean ship type. The only thing they had in common with the real galleys was that they could be rowed. That doesn't make them galleys any more than xebecs, turumas or any other oared sailing ship hybrids.

There's more referenced information about this at galley#Definition and terminology.

Peter ^Isotalo 00:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]