Talk:Church of St Peter, Berende

Church of St Peter, Berende has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
April 4, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 26, 2011.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the medieval Church of St Peter, featuring "particularly remarkable" frescoes (pictured), once had an inscription by a Bulgarian tsar on its exterior?

all the sources are in Bulgarian[edit]

I would love to review this article. But all the sources are in Bulgarian, and when I use Google translator, I can't find the information you are referencing. Could you provide translations of the important stuff in the footnotes? Regards, MathewTownsend (talk) 22:33, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and thanks for your wish to review the article! I think Google Translate should be good enough for most of the stuff from footnotes 1, 2 and 4. Here's a direct link to footnote 5 on Google Books. The rest of the information is from a book which I only have as a print copy (footnote 3).

While I think the format of the references is appropriate for citing, I'm not really sure how to go about in providing translations; I don't think the format is convenient for this or that it would improve the article (the sources are relatively long and frequently cited). I can assist your review with translations of individual sections which Google Translate fails to convey though, if that's alright. Unfortunately as you can see, literature on this church seems to be pretty scarce in English, so I was left with little choice there. Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 23:18, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Church of St Peter, Berende/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 19:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a wonderful article. My only complaint is that Google translator doesn't really help me out checking the citations. Can you translated the important stuff for me? MathewTownsend (talk) 19:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and sure thing! I will try to translate the most important bits as early as tonight. Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 14:13, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, here goes some from [1]:

A footpath along the shore of the Nishava leads to the crumbling little church...
Its walls, built of stone and mortar, are quite thick, 85-90 cm. It has a west wall and an apse window. The roof is vaulted on the inside and covered by slates on the outside. The interior of the church is entirely painted in ancient frescoes.
As early as 1890, the Škorpil brothers found [the church] and discovered and published a historical inscription on its west wall [followed by inscription as translated in article]. It led some to believe that the church was built namely during the reign of Tsar Ivan Asen (1218–1241), and possibly with his assistance. ...
The Church of Saints Peter and Paul in Berende has reached our time as initially built ...
In the lowest part, up until half a metre from the floor, the murals have been entirely destroyed by [capillary?] moisture from the foundations. The general condition of painting is worrying — the painting service is almost entirely veiled, and in many places there is whitening as a result of salts as a result of the penetration of irrigational moisture.

From [2]:

An image of a tsar with an iscription was preserved on the exterior west wall up until the early 20th century: [followed by inscription]

From [3]:

With the uncovering of the murals of the Saint Nicholas Church in Stanichene, Pirot region, where in 1331–1332 Tsar Ivan Alexander (1331–1371), referenced as Ivan Asen, the dating of the Church of Saints Peter and Paul to the 14th century was established as corresponding to the style of its murals and reasonable.

[4] and [5] are mostly a description of the murals.

If you need the reference to any specific fact in the article directly quoted from the source and translated in English to verify, do let me know! Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 21:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

reply

I've also been trying to do some translating, plus using the UNESCO article. I am going to AGF your sources. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:13, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review-see WP:WIAGA for criteria (and here for what they are not)

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose: clear and concise, correct spelling and grammar:

B. Complies with MoS for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Provides references to all sources:
AGF non English sources, plus editor's help, plus a little Google.

B. Provides in-line citations from reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Main aspects are addressed:

B. Remains focused:
Does it follow the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Very, very nice little article. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! MathewTownsend (talk) 22:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]