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Christian democracy in Australia

"Family First Party (which is regarded by some as a liberal democratic party)" - I cannot see how anyone could possibly consider the Family First Party to be liberal democratic. Lyphatma (talk) 09:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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Criticism

I'm just passing by and by no means an expert on the subject, but it seems like most politics pages include a criticism section which I think would be both interesting and of encyclopedia value for this article. If somebody with a solid background in academic and/or popular criticisms of Christian democracy would write them in, I feel as though that would improve the article substantially. Low priority 70.24.209.152 (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Errors?

The article claims that Christian democracy camoesfrom catholism and later incorporated other christian denominations. But the only dated sourses in the history section imply that it was Protestants that started the first christian parties in reposnse to liberals. Since that was in the netherland on of the first democratic countries the circumstantial evidence points to it being the other way around.46.208.39.53 (talk) 16:51, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Colour?

Simple question. Why is the menu about CD to the right coloured in orange? No CD party use that colour. Black, Blue, White, Red, Green are all in use, but never orange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.199.153.187 (talk) 12:50, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

American Solidarity Party

"American Solidarity Party" - This is very much a valid 3rd party in the Christian Democratic Tradition. The links added to the external reference section are valid and should *not* be deleted. Please contact or comment if there are concerns. MuskegPress ([User talk:MuskegPress]) 18:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC) 

    It is not an actual party, it is just a facebook page. Deleting all links to it. This is not an advertising platform. 128.2.118.154 (talk) 00:11, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Vague Statements that are likely untrue...

On the main page for Christian Democracy, I've noticed that the page has this section,

"In common with conservatism, traditional moral values (on marriage, abortion, etc.), opposition to secularization, a view of the evolutionary (as opposed to revolutionary) development of society, an emphasis on law and order, and a rejection of communism. In contrast to conservatism, open to change (for example, in the structure of society) and not necessarily supportive of the social status quo. In common with liberalism, an emphasis on human rights and individual initiative. In contrast to liberalism, a rejection of secularism, and an emphasis on the fact that the individual is part of a community and has duties towards it. In common with socialism, an emphasis on the community, social justice and solidarity, support for a welfare state and support for regulation of market forces. In contrast to socialism, most European Christian Democrats support a market economy and do not adhere to the concept of class struggle. This has not always carried over to some Latin American Christian Democratic Parties, which have been influenced by liberation theology."

I feel that this is not only unnecessary, but untrue. Now, before deleting it, I feel like I should discuss this on the talk page. Thanks Dry and Melancholic (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)Dry and Melancholic 09:35, 5 May 2015 (MST)

American Christian democrats

Would Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and Democrat Bob Casey Jr.; be considered Christian democrats? They are socially conservative Christians, economically center-left (for American economic standards) because they are more liberal spenders and support expansion of the welfare state. They differ from other Christian conservatives like Tom Coburn and Jim DeMint, who support a more laissez-faire right-wing economic philosophy. Is Christian democrat the correct term for bigger government Christian conservatives like Santorum, Huckabee, and Casey? 108.13.114.31 (talk) 07:03, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

No. They are part of an entirely different political tradition. In any cases you would need sources that supported your view. TFD (talk) 12:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Then what would be an accurate term for these economically center-left Christian social conservative American politicians? 108.13.114.31 (talk) 02:24, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I do not think that center left is accurate. Their economic views are generally to the right of mainstream Democrats, even to the right of establishment Republicans before Reagan. They fall within either the liberal tradition or right-wing populism. Here is a link to an article about Christian Democracy from the respected Christian Democratic Konrad Adenauer Foundation. As you can see, they have little in common with U.S. Christian fundamentalist politics. TFD (talk) 07:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Would "compassionate conservative", "communitarian", or "big government conservative" be more accurate names for these politicians with economic policies to the left of most modern Republicans but to the right of most Democrats? 108.13.114.31 (talk) 02:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I do not think any of those terms is widely used. There is a Christian Democratic organization in the U.S.: the Center for Public Justice. And in his book, It Takes a Family, Santorum uses a number of Christian Democratic concepts, such as subsidiarity. But, per synthesis, you would need sources that placed Santorum et al within Christian Democracy, which does not appear to exist. Christian Democracy arose in order to address historical circumstances that did not exist in the U.S.: a reactionary clergy and aristocracy opposed by a secular laissez-faire liberalism and a challenge from socialism. It took concepts from each and presented an alternative. Those circumstances did not exist in the U.S. or the UK for that matter. Other aspects of Christian Democracy are missing as well: a mass democratic party supported by the Church and religious trade unions and other organizations. It is questionable too whether parties such as the CDU can still be described as Christian Democratic beyond the circumstances of their creation. TFD (talk) 20:23, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

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Compromised atheists, Hebrews, Hindus etc who support the term

They claim they are consciously undermining themselves, because MP salary is great and because is hard for the weak to fight against the strong. Let's mix religion with political names!

Ideas are not important in politics said the lier; but even that was an idea!

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Proposed Changes

I am planning on revamping the History section by creating a 20th century section. See my sandbox for other proposed changes. Comments and or concerns? NehemiahBoreham (talk) 21:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Does the United States Democratic Party fit with the ideology of Christian democracy

The Democratic Party of the United States somehow fit with the Christian democracy ideology. In the United States, there aren't have any christian democratic parties. Republican Party of the United States is a conservative party, but have nothing similar with the christian democratic parties in Europe and Latin America.Marxistfounder (talk) 15:21, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

No, it does not. The Democrats are a coalition of social liberals and progressives. Perhaps it could be argued that some of their more conservative members, like John Bel Edwards, are close to the Christian democratic tradition, but these are a very small minority and would not warrant the party as a whole being aligned with it. America already has a minor Christian democratic party, the American Solidarity Party. ——— Horarum (talk) 12:22, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Minor influences

As far as I'm aware, the Social Gospel movement was an American movement not a European movement. Does the Social Gospel source justify this link any more than name-dropping it? Similarly, Distributism seems to be dropped into the article with little linkage to Christian Democracy. Both these links should be clarified. DishevelledD (talk) 13:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposed Changes

I am planning on changing the page, inline with this in my sandbox. Any thoughts, comments or concerns?

DishevelledD (talk) 04:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Drastic changes.

So, over the past month, I've drastically changed the page and doubled it's size. Hopefully, at this stage, the page is better than many of the chapter (or shorter) entries on Christian Democracy in books explaining political ideologies. If people could review the page, that would be great!

A few things to note;

- Liberation Theology, the Social Gospel movement and Distributism have all been linked to Christian Democracy in some way. However, from what I've read, they are not Christian Democratic. I've qualified the links for all but the Social Gospel movement - not a clue what to do with that.

- The Political philosophy section might need reordering. Maybe I will change it, maybe someone else can. The new order could be: Personalism, Pluralism, Popularism, Solidarity and Social Capitalism, Stewardship.

- The Internet Archive sources are great. DishevelledD (talk) 07:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

I have had the opportunity to review the changes and find them to be helpful overall, though I have removed opinionated clauses in accordance with WP:NPOV, as well as those that were not broadly representative of Christian democracy. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 16:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
I agree with Anupam's edits to the large set of changes. It's not appropriate to state in the lead that all Christian democratic parties are liberalized or secularized. Kfager1 (talk) 17:04, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
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