Talk:Chris Eubank

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Cleanup request[edit]

Could somebody take some time to clean up this page. There is a lot of poor grammar and POV text. If someone has one, a picture would also be a worthwhile addition. Ed 14:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a quick job on this. Still needs more work though. Arthur Holland 13:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i agree this article could be cut down considerably the word legend is used far too much!

"although the herb is knowledge, smoking cannot be good for any endurance sport" - should be changed? Jamo777 (talk) 09:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not encyclopedic[edit]

"He famously owns the only Hummer in the British Isles." Statements like this are often only true at the time of writing and can rapidly become dated which is terribly poor writing style for an encyclopedia. Perhaps the sentence can be rephrased, but it may be better to remove it entirely.

Conversion to Islam quote[edit]

In 1997, Eubank converted to Islam [2]

"When I realized I had sense, I was on my mother's knee in church, so I was brought up with God being the cornerstone of my life, and my understanding of Islam is that if you are a good Christian then you are a Muslim. This view some would not agree with, however this is my my view. So long as you believe in doing good and not promoting badness then you are God's man or woman". - Chris Eubank, June 21, 2006.

Surely, Eubank being British this quote should be written in English rather than American English. Realized is spelt with an 's' rather than a z in English-English. Also there are two mys in this quote rather than the one. I'll make the alterations in a sec.

Think Chris may have written this article himself! - A part of a golden era though- the article should say millions, not billions...

Is this article for real?? I'm starting a major clean-up - phrases such as "Whilst gallantly protecting weaker pupils from bullies" have no place in an encyclopedia Speedything 09:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok - I've taken out the most extreme POV but this article is still very poor. There is only a single reference and that's about the anti-war activism, there not a single source to back up any of the actual boxing 'facts'. I'm not denying the guy is influential but I don't think he is anywhere near as important as this article would like to make out. Billions of viewers for one of his events?? Only in his dreams. Speedything 09:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of weasel words and sourcing[edit]

I have just reverted this page to how it was after I made my changes. This article is bad enough without a single source but phrases such as 'legendary boxer' and 'one of the greatest matches of all time' are not acceptible. If a verifiable and noteworthy source could be quoted and referenced then I will leave it but until then I strongly advise Chris and Chris' fanclub to stop wasting their time trying to make this article as glowing as possible Speedything 08:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Once again I find myself flushing this page of POV, unsourced rubbish and weasel words. If the anonymous contributor wishes to discuss this then please feel free to use this talk page - I will be more than happy to listen and work with them. Speedything 16:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New to Wikipedia[edit]

HAHA that introduction is quite amusing. I've no idea about the background and celebrity aspects of the page but as a student sports journalist and boxing writer the boxing 'facts' are down to me, writing articles is valuable portfolio work, if someone could clear up the referencing I'd appreciate it and please try to not delete the account of his career, I assure you it is accurate. Much appreciated. Oh and by the way I assure you it is not Eubank, but yes the account of a fine career does sound somewhat glowing. Sorry for the inconvenience 1fletch 16:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fletch. If you look at the history you will find that I've been in a revert war with someone for what must be getting on for months now. I keep asking for discussion he keeps refusing to budge. Apparently his fights were watched by billions etc. and when he was expelled it was because he only wanted the best for the weaker pupils. I have been trying to incorporate other people's edits into my reverts but regardless - it gets reverted back. If you look at the history you will find that your edit too has been removed - it seems you didn't use the word "legend" enough. Speedything 08:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I notice that since I last edited the boxing career someone has written 'he is a legend of British boxing' at the end of my account. As for the early life and celebrity categories I've no idea - I started with 'Eubank the boxer' and ended with 'two-weight champion for six years', i.e. something to use for my portfolio. Just one thing though - Boxing Illustrated once mentioned that possibly close to a billion people did watch the Benn rematch, though hundreds of millions would of course be more prudent. By the way, I wrote a page for 'Benn v Eubank' and its been flagged for insufficient references - could you help? Thanks 1fletch 21:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure I'll have a look at it. I'm no boxing expert but it'll make a nice change working on a page that isn't reverted every 4 hours :) Speedything 13:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So Boxing illustrated reckon that 1/6th of the world's population watched the fight?? I'm sorry but I don't buy that for second. Even the World Cup Final is watched by less people than that 87.86.171.131 10:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To the IP reverter[edit]

Please do not continue to revert mine and others effort to improve this article without discussion. I have made several edits to the article which you seem to think can be treated as one. This is not the case. Contraventions of WP:Bio must, and I stress must, be reverted on sight. You simply cannot have potential libelous material in an article which you have now twice put back in. It simply cannot stay without a VERY strong reference. Truth has nothing to do with it. If it cant be verified it can't stay.

Further, "watched by billions" isnt even worth a fact tag. It is simply untrue. Nothing has ever been watched by 2 billion people or more. It not true or sourced.

"Comebacking" is not a word.

Ray Leonard had 1 championship fight at middleweight. He is far more noted as a welterweight.

WP:NPOV is requirement of all articles. Reverting all efforts to bring this article into line with policy is tantamount to disruption. If you continue I will seek protection for the page so only registered editors can edit it. --LiamE 09:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please do Liam - get it protected. I fought with the anonymous IP reverter for about 2 months before (sadly) throwing the gloves in. Let's see how many uses of the word 'legend' remain when Chris himelf is not allowed to edit the article :) Speedything 11:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think you do Chris a diservice by saying that he want want to include purile rubbish, patent nonsense and linguistic abominations in his own article. Love him or loathe him, the man himself has always had respect for knowledge and learning, something our IP reverter clearly does not. Still, I'll give Mr reverter one more chance to stop disrupting the article with uncited Wp:bio's, NPOV horrors and factual innacuracies and perhaps he could explain his edits or just stop before he is forced to. --LiamE 17:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Absolute disgrace. Why tamper with what was a perfectly fine and true page to try to downgrade Eubank?

(Eubank himself says in his autobiog that over a billion people watched the second Benn fight) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmaccs (talk • contribs) 14:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quite simply because it did not conform to wiki policy and was full of factual innacuracies, pov and cruft. I take it the IP reverts were you then, nice of you to sign in at last and strange that you decide to pick now to dicuss your edits. Please take some time to read WP:BIO and WP:NPOV as these are both policy and not options we can take or leave. How is removing a made up word like "comebacking" bad for the article or trying to downgrade Chris? I can assure you there is no such word. For the record I think Chris was a fine boxer and think he deserves a fine article not the poor one we have. I'm sorry I had no idea that Chris is a recognised expert on worldwide viewing figures. Just as soon as you produce a reliable cite to say he is his figures can go in the article. --LiamE 15:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--It was in the Satellite Times, as well as Don King saying it on Monday the 11th's ITN News at Ten with Trever McDonald —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.44.86 (talk) 06:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And? Do you take everything Don King says seriously? --LiamE 07:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arrest warrant issued[edit]

Seems he didn't turn up in court to answer the charges relating to his anti-war protest bbc. -- 86.21.74.40 (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can we add the nickname 'English'[edit]

In his latest major interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvh3XyXEXYM - trailer), Chris mentions he'd like to have the new nickname 'English'. I have refined the 'nickname' section to reflect this, however twice now a user named Mac Dreamstate has reverted my edits. I'll add the second time round I also included a citation to my annotation.

This user 'Mac Dreamstate' needs a damn good seeing to if you ask me. I would like it if we could have some sort of referendum on here to add the nickname 'English'? And perhaps we could report Mac Dreamstate for harassment or something?

Many Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.193.162 (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting, eh? Please do so—I've always wanted to see what happens! Meanwhile, whilst I have no objection to the nickname being added, you need to get a better source than a YouTube trailer in which Eubank does not state the claim being made (just a fleeting mention with no context), and a premium content website requiring a login to access. Neither of those cut it. See if you can find something in print (i.e. a website which can be freely read by all users), and then we're in biz. Let me know how that harassment report goes. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:48, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, rescinded after finding this. Could a timecode be provided as to where Eubank himself states his desire for the nickname? It would be helpful as a solid reference. I will also say that all this reverting could've been avoided had the IP editor above done a bit more digging, but ah well. In future, please read WP:PROVEIT, and a quote from that guideline: "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material". Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:54, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Lord of the manor.[edit]

Is his "lord of the manor" title genuine. I believe most of these are fake and worthless, and will not in any circumstances allow you to call yourself Lord.--Dmol (talk) 20:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2020[edit]

Boxrec is a subjective ranking, and unfair and disrespectful to Eubank. It is also unfair not to state him as a highly successful pioneering world champion boxer from the United Kingdom in the opening paragraph/statement.

His mother was called Ena Eubank and father Irving Eubank, according to his autobiography, his mother was not named Rachel Scollins.

His viewing figures on ITV from 1990 to 1994 ranged between 10 and 18 million on 15 occasions. It seemed he was rarely off UK TV screens or out of the tabloid newspapers, for not only the many controversial incidents in his life but the fact he was a humorous figure on the celebrity chatshow circuit. He has more than 500 personal TV appearances, so he stated during an interview with Chris Evans on BBC Radio.

Also, the first Nigel Benn-Chris Eubank fight in 1990 had immense importance because it was the first fight to ever pull in gate receipts of over £1M/$1.6M, more than any in history anywhere in the world for a boxing match, and inspired a whole generation of youngsters because it was on free-to-view TV and drew 12 million viewers in the UK. Llemmacseel (talk) 05:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: It's not all entirely clear what it is that you're looking to get done here, and you've not followed the required "change X to Y" format, but each of these bits would need reliable sources anyway. "highly successful pioneering world champion boxer" would generally not be encyclopedic, and if it were to be included would require extensive sourcing. As to removing Boxrec, that would need consensus to be established here on the talk page. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Hopkins

Eubank was also one of the most successful fighters of all time, with record-breaking viewing figures, World title defenses, attendances and unbeaten streaks. Llemmacseel (talk) 22:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Boxrec rankings are not reputable. It doesn't make sense and is subjective. Stick with the facts surely. Llemmacseel (talk) 22:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not widely acknowledged. Llemmacseel (talk) 23:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 June 2020[edit]

Eubank's mother was not called Rachel Scollings. She was a Jamaican lady called Ena. 82.12.57.107 (talk) 02:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TheImaCow (talk) 09:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Driving offences in 'Personal life' section[edit]

The 'personal life' section on this page already refers to a driving offence in 1992.

Chris Eubank was recently given 3 driving licence points at court and ordered to pay £280 in fines after being video'd using his mobile phone while driving (not convicted) and running a red light (convicted).

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-activist-mike-van-erp-nails-boxer-chris-eubank-jumping-red-light-b938747.html

This should be added to the same section. Suggested add:

"In 2021, Eubank was convicted of failing to comply with the indication given by a traffic signal, when he was filmed passing a red light in Hyde Park, London. Eubank was filmed by a cycling activist, and was fined £280 in fines and had three points added to his driving licence."

Mjstyles (talk) 11:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: No need to add routine traffic violations to an encyclopedia article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:18, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why is a driving offence considered 'routine'? This is a record of this person receiving a criminal conviction - that seems considerably noteworthy to me and is present in a number of other Wikipedia articles. Clearly to the point that it has gathered national media interest, it is noteworthy. Consider that this is also showing a pattern of behaviour given Eubank's previous driving offence (listed on this page).

Two driving offenses in thirty years is hardly a pattern. The only reason the earlier offense is reasonable to include is because of the fatality. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This seems at odds with other Wikipedia articles, which mention driving criminal convictions, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Price#Driving and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Havers#Personal_life

Criminal convictions of famous people are clearly noteworthy, evidenced by the national news coverage. Mjstyles (talk) 13:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. The Katie Price and Nigel Havers situations are not comparable to this one. Both of those situations resulted in bans from driving, not just a traffic violation conviction. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 May 2022[edit]

Brothers Peter and Simon have been incorrectly given the surname Eubanks. Their surname should be Eubank (without the s) 77.96.201.209 (talk) 22:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:59, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 September 2022[edit]

Change Autobiograpy to Autobiography Polygnotus (talk) 05:08, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --N8wilson 🔔 05:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 April 2023[edit]

Change 'Bellingden Junior School' to 'Bellenden Junior School' [1] La éditrice (talk) 22:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 00:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/14023311.south-east-london-boxing-legend-chris-eubank-goes-into-im-a-celebrity-jungle/

Real name[edit]

At the moment it's not mentioned in the infobox that his birth name was Eubanks. I think it should. NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:28, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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