Talk:Children's Chapel, St James' Church, Sydney

Comments from DYK nomination

These comments come from the DKY Nomination, viewable here by Cunard (talk):

• Article: "Pictures of children and of yachts on the harbour, taken by the well-known photographer Harold Cazneaux, were used by the artists to help with details of the scene, as were photographs of the Sydney Harbour Bridge and other harbour landmarks."
• Source: "Pictures of children and of yachts on the harbour taken by the well-known photographer Harold Cazneaux were used by the artists to help with details of the scene, as were also photographs of the harbour bridge, then under construction and of harbour landmarks."

--I've adjusted the wording of this now. Whiteghost.ink 02:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. It is now properly paraphrased. Cunard (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• The second paragraph of the "Imagery" section is unsourced.

--It's difficult to source this to a printed publication but I've provided several photos in the 'gallery' section that show the content of the murals. In the DYK nomination discussion a reference was found to Ghost Nation (2001) which I've now cited four times, but that particular paragraph is not citable to that specific book. The verifiability of the imagery section is, in effect, by simply walking inside the chapel. Also, the locations in the images are recognisable if you know Sydney's geography as they are depicted correctly in their location relative to the Harbour Bridge. :-) Whiteghost.ink 02:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Because the information is uncontroversial—merely descriptive and not analytical—I believe it might not need secondary analysis. For example, in book articles, the plot section does not need to be sourced because it is directly citable to the book itself, the primary source. Mural imagery can probably be accorded the same treatment. However, if the imagery is controversial (i.e. scholars are divided about what an image represents), then the description must be sourced. That does not appear to be the case here. Cunard (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• "In 1952, Anderson carried out some remedial work on the murals but requested that no further work be done during her lifetime. She died in 1958. By the 1980s the murals had deteriorated so much that the chapel had to be closed. Large sections of the paint were being lost as a result of crystalline salts on the wall surface forcing off the painted plaster and gold leaf. With a grant from the Heritage Council of New South Wales, the chapel was restored in 1992 with work done by skilled conservators under the aegis of International Conservation Services." – this is sourced to http://www.sjks.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=82&Itemid=60, which does not verify the information.

--I believe you've got the wrong link... That section is sourced to International Conservation Services own website which includes the chapel (and a photo) in their "25 iconic projects" page http://www.icssydney.com.au/index.php?id=435 Whiteghost.ink 02:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I copied the wrong link. However, http://www.icssydney.com.au/index.php?id=435 doesn't verify that Anderson "requested that no further work be done during her lifetime". Nor does it verify "[b]y the 1980s the murals had deteriorated so much that the chapel had to be closed" or the rest of sentences I cited above. Cunard (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• Diakowska-Czarnota, Anna (1994). "Conservation and restoration of the mural paintings from the Children's Chapel in the Church of St James, King Street, Sydney: looking for the method of transfer". Australian Institute for the Conservation of Cultural Materials Bulletin. 19 (3–4): 3–24. Retrieved 12 October 2011. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

This source lists pages 3–24 as verifying the material. Page ranges of over 20 pages make checking sources difficult. The citations should be broken down into small ranges of no more than two pages if the information is spread out through 20 pages. Based on my spotchecks, the last two sources of the article are verified by page 19 of the source, though I am not sure about the preceding sentences.

--I've made the sourcing of that particular point specific to page 19 - as suggested. I've also added in two other references to specific pages for other parts of the article. This now poses a secondary problem though - the same journal article is now referenced three times to three different pages which means the almost-exactly-the-same footnote appears three times rather than the more visually appealing 'a', 'b', 'c' format. Is there a way around this? Whiteghost.ink 02:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I have moved the Diakowska-Czarnota article to a separate "Bibliography" section (see the citation style at To Kill a Mockingbird) and cited the pages individually (e.g. Diakowska-Czarnota, p. 3). Is this okay? Cunard (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Cunard (talk) 22:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for addressing my suggestions! The article is much improved. Cunard (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

QRpedia

Thanks to User:Whiteghost.ink, QRpedia is now in use at the Chapel. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Wooooo! Victuallers (talk) 07:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC)