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Cherokee Seal Image[edit]

I am concerned that this seal is a forgery. First, the seal has the word "ᏣᏔᎩᎯ" while the actual real Cherokee Nation seal, visible on the Cherokee Nation government website and on their social media pages, has "ᏣᎳᎩᎯ". These are two entirely different words, and the one on this image is not the actual word on the seal. Further evidence of the forgery is that, in the file page for the seal there is an extensive edit history of the image. At an earlier stage the seal even had the word "ᎠᏰᏝ" which yet again is not found on the actual seal. Thus I am concerned that this image is a forgery. It should be replaced with an actual, authentic image of the real Cherokee Nation seal. 2601:152:C83:5020:B5A6:3F10:1AF5:E155 (talk) 01:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for coming to the talk page with your concerns. I've never looked at the seal that well on the article so bringing it to the attention of page watchers was good. I wouldn't call the image a forgery. The author is not trying to pass it off as an original, in fact they give credit to the original if you open the image. However, you are correct that it is wrong now that I have looked at it. I'm going to WP:BOLD and change it. --ARose Wolf 13:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the record if anyone wants to know the actual words are "ᏣᎳᎩᎯ ᎠᏰᎵ". In Sequoyah's original syllabary order the "Ꮅ" looked more like a fancy "J". For more you can check out Wikipedia's article, Cherokee syllabary or visit the official website for the Cherokee Nation (https://www.cherokee.org/). --ARose Wolf 13:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: Whoops, thank you for correcting this, Rose! ~~The graphic on this article has "Ꮃ" not "Ꮤ"; as you point out, it's fine.~~ Social media posts have pointed out that the new Mattel Wilma Mankiller doll [1] has a typo on the seal that apparently reads as "Chicken Nation." Yuchitown (talk) 15:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

I'm not sure I see the typo. Maybe they are looking at it with low resolution or maybe it is a seal other than the one on the box behind the doll. --ARose Wolf 21:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the one on the box. And I didn't see errors on the seal in this article because I was looking at the version you had corrected—d'oh! Yuchitown (talk) 21:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Maybe it was different on the first versions and they changed it but on high resolution I can clearly make out the "ᏣᎳᎩᎯ ᎠᏰᎵ". I figured you were looking at an older version so I didn't say anything but I'm really glad the IP brought it up and I'm not sure why someone would alter it and include it in this article. Probably just a good faith mistake for the inclusion but the remake of the seal on commons is perplexing. --ARose Wolf 12:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The PNG version was correct and it looks like the error was introduced accidentally when the SVG vector version was made. I've flagged it on Commons; once it gets fixed, we can switch back to the SVG here. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 15:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for correcting this, I appreciate it very much 141.161.209.103 (talk) 16:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Section Tribal Heritage Groups: Mount Tabor Indian Community[edit]

I'm not sure that much of this section (especially the last paragraph) is relevant to the Cherokee Nation article, or at least to the Heritage Group section. MTIC doesn't consider themselves to be a Cherokee Tribe, and neither does CN (UKB and EBCI don't, either, incidentally). Nor are they of the heritage groups that CN does recognize. MTIC is a community of descendants of several Tribes and peoples, not specifically Cherokee, and already has its own article, and it appears that with regard to members of Cherokee descent, MTIC uses a different set of base rolls which are different from the rolls used by CN in any case. Pyrocatch (talk) 23:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]