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Merge theme song?

The story behind the creation of “Where Everybody Knows Your Name” is a most interesting one. In so severely condensing it, you deprive potential readers of any real appreciation for the unlikely and serendipitous sequence of events that led to the song’s birth. Your abridgement might be adequate for the “Cheers” page, where some readers may have no more than a peripheral interest in the theme song relative to the series as a whole. But why deprive the many others who are specifically interested in “Where Everybody Knows Your Name”- and who actively seek it out on Wikipedia- from enjoying reading about its genesis in greater (and clearer) detail? A quick search around Wikipedia reveals hundreds upon hundreds of entries for individual songs whose life spans were far shorter- and their impact far less reaching- than those of “Where Everybody Knows Your Name” (both on AND off the TV series). If “Me and You and a Dog Name Boo” merits its own Wikipedia page, then certainly “Where Everybody Knows Your Name” does. Its presence on Wikipedia should not be unduly minimized simply because it was a part of a hit show. Rather, it should be celebrated for taking off on its own from the launching pad that was “Cheers.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by FaithinHim (talk • contribs) 04:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

This song is well-known, but the article "Where Everybody Knows Your Name" wouldn't stay strong as a stand-alone. I have added a section "Theme song" in this main article, and I don't think that the charts could help strengthen the song article as much as could strengthen the series article. If details are trimmed down, then the results would be too short, sans the image. Extended time for more discussion. --George Ho (talk) 20:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

The song may be well-known, but the article "Where Everybody Knows Your Name" is too many unnecessary details and looks mergeable without lyrics. If merged, or before merging, maybe I could skim down details and cite any detail available. --George Ho (talk) 06:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

While obviously forever linked to the show, this song has long since gone on to live its own life. Its appeal- and, more importantly, its imprint in the "fabric" of Americana- more than qualify it to be treated as its own entity. In this instance, what one person deems "unnecessary details" are arguably of great interest to many. I say leave it as is. FaithinHim (talk) 18:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Oppose merger. Agreed with previous posters that it likely stands alone per reasons stated, that the song and its lyrics have become independently notable. Just because the two articles would support one another doesn't necessarily mean they should merge. Also, the theme song article alone is getting 150-200 hits per day, which is really very good for any article; it also likely means many aren't getting sufficient info on the main page. That said, when in doubt, safer to leave it be. Further, I see no reason to trim down the "details", concurring with the previous poster.Morgan Riley (talk) 22:57, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose The song is highly iconic in its own right and there are sources that discuss the song. If there are issue then they should be fixed, but merging is not the appropriate way.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 15:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Season One ratings

I find the Nielsen ratings for the first season of Cheers to be a bit confusing. When I first read this Wikipedia page, it said that Cheers ranked 74th out of 77 shows in the spring of 1983, but in the ratings chart it said the series ranked 71st in the ratings (The #71 was later changed to #74). Which is correct? In reading the Cheers Season One page, I find both of these to be incorrect. I have researched and figure that both the rankings of #71 and #74 to be too low. When you add the Nielsen ratings (which Wikipedia has provided) for the first season's 22 episodes together (and then divide them by 22), you get 12.972, or 13 if you round it, but the ratings chart of the Cheers entirety page reads the first season averaged a 7.16 rating. With this, is it possible Cheers achieved higher ratings during its initial season? I am not saying Wikipedia is wrong, but the information (from my point-of-view) is inconsistent. The authors should definitely revise it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.221.35.36 (talk) 01:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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"Diane and Rebecca" vandalism

Users using IP addresses have been changing Diane and Rebecca lately. These edits have been going on for years. It's getting maddening. I tried addressing the issue of one person doing such edits, but the discussion went stale. If protection is unnecessary, what else to do with those edits? Pinging TheDJ and CLCStudent, to whom I thank for combating vandalism. --George Ho (talk) 21:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Paul Willson and Roger Rees in the infobox

Why adding Paul Willson and Roger Rees in the infobox? They were recurring actors of the series. Also, the opening credits don't use those names. --George Ho (talk) 03:12, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Obviously they should not be included. Only actors who have been credited onscreen in a starring role should be included per WP:TVCAST, infobox instructions and wide consensus. I have removed the names and added a note to that effect. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:37, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) They should not be in the infobox – the infobox cast listing is reserved for "main cast credited" cast members only (and sometimes not even all of those, for TV series with particularly large casts). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
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