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Addressing the To-Do List

° Information on cheerleading subsets: There was an article posted in December 2015 to the Omni Cheer Blog, 'The Difference Between Recreational, All-Star, Grade school, College, and Professional Cheerleading'. The link to the article is posted below, but there are some key distinctions to be highlighted. (1) "Recreational cheerleading is great for beginners"; (2) For grade school cheerleading you must try out. Usually middle school has one team, where as high school is separated into JV (junior varsity) and Varsity; (3) "All-Star is the most advanced type of cheerleading". There are still try-outs, and teams are made based on skill level and age; (4) In college cheerleading everyone is pretty much a legal adult, there are still try-outs, however they choose members based on needs, skills, and sportsmanship; (5) Professional cheerleading is unlike the rest; they are more so dancers than cheerleaders. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.omnicheer.com/blog/post/the-difference-between-recreational-all-star-grade-school-and-college-cheerleading

° Randy Neil and the International Cheerleading Foundation: There are no specific connections between Randy Neil and ICF outside of a small blurb in the "About Randy Neil" section on Neil Print Media, but the link will still be posted below along with the link to the IFC (International Federation of Cheerleading) webpage. Additionally, there is an image with a timeline of "The Sport of Cheer", which is also posted below. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://cheerunion.org.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/2013_Website/About%20Us/Documents/ICU_History-Of-Cheer.pdf Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.ifc-hdqrs.org/about-ifc.html Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.randyneil.com/AboutRN.htm

° Information on Cheerleading Competitions: "Varsity Spirit created the first high level cheerleading competition in 1980, the National High School Cheerleading Championship, to reward cheerleaders for their work on the sidelines and to create a venue in which they could be recognized for their talents and abilities. Since then, Varsity Spirit has produced thousands of competitive events for cheerleaders and dancers." Below is a link to a list of cheer competition hosts found on the Varsity webpage, with general information about that particular host and an additional link to their website. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).https://www.varsity.com/competitions/

Aliekareid (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2018 (UTC) 2/13/2018 6:52 PM (EST)

Transition

http://books.wwnorton.com/books/webad.aspx?id=4294986320

I think this might be relevant here.

It talks about the transition from men to women after World War II.

Benjamin (talk) 00:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Scholarships for Cheerleaders

Cheerleaders who participate and excel with their talents can receive long-term benefits such as a scholarship. These scholarships that can be granted to cheerleaders come from good grades, team participation, fellowship, and they must have athletic achievement. Many talented cheerleaders around the world can qualify for scholarships for school. Colleges can recruit cheerleaders with specific scholarships that can relate to their talent. In order to receive or keep a scholarship, cheerleaders must keep good academic achievement in school. These scholarships help cheerleaders out with their college funding. Colleges that are interested in cheerleaders to recruit consider many things such as talent, race, gender, and location. Cheerleaders with scholarships that end up getting injured can cause the risk of losing a scholarship because they won't be able to use their talents. Having an athletic scholarship in college is very important because it helps save money and guarantees your spot on the team and scho — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameiladudley (talk • contribs) 14:39, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Citations

While reading this page, I have noticed there was a lot of citations for the gathered information, but what I would like to know, how credible are these sources? There's information cited from ABC News or CBS. How credible are those new articles towards the Wikipedia page on cheer?


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203.173.130.22 (talk) 08:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Cheer is cool u can die so yeh so stop trusting this app it’s all fake cheer is cool so

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --TheImaCow (talk) 08:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

What cheerleading is categorized as.

Hello to whoever is reading this. I want to discus how cheerleading is categorized as a “activity”. I was wondering if we can change the word “activity” to “activity/ team sport” or something similar to that. I know that certain forms of cheerleading isn’t considered a sport by definition but other parts are. For example sideline cheer isn’t a sport because it doesn’t have competition, unless you want to consider “battle cheer” as the competition in sideline cheer. But School cheerleading teams go to competition which makes it a sport but cheer is not a sport when they are on the sidelines. Another example is All star cheer, which checks every requirement in the definition of sport making it a sport. Sport-“ an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.” I think that we should acknowledge the fact that certain parts of cheer are sports and that we should change the word “Activity” to “Activity/team sport”. MerlinLionHeart (talk) 17:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

MerlinLionHeart, we can only go by whatever reliable sources described "cheerleading" as. I haven't checked out the sources on this article; do any of them describe it as a "sport"? Schazjmd (talk) 14:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Okay, after a quick search, I learned that whether cheerleading is a "sport" is apparently a contentious issue that mainly consists of official sports-recognition agencies saying "it's not" and various individuals/groups saying "it is". We have the American Medical Association announcing that cheerleading should be considered a sport because of its risks, which concedes that it is not currently considered a sport. Until cheerleading becomes official recognized as a sport, the article is correct to describe it as "activity". Schazjmd (talk) 15:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I've added a section addressing the question of its status as a sport. Schazjmd (talk) 16:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
And now I realize there was already a section about it, so I just added my additional refs/content to that section. Schazjmd (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

The last 3 sections

Hi! The last three sections of this page, Cheerleading in the United Kingdom, Cheerleading in Australia, and Notable former cheerleaders, are just headings with articles linked to them. I feel as if this could be misleading, and maybe each section should have a small summary of what the articles state so that some information is provided. It just feels awkward and incomplete to have a heading with no information under it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratchetrapunzel (talk • contribs) 14:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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Subjective content - citation needed?

In the section "Types of Teams in the United States Today" under the subhead "Professional" is a sentence that reads: In addition to cheering at games and competing, professional cheerleaders also, as teams, can often do a lot of philanthropy and charity work, modeling, motivational speaking, television performances, and advertising.[citation needed] This seems like a statement hard to back up with a credible citation. Is a citation really needed here or perhaps is the statement too subjective? Sergeant Curious (talk) 22:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The best things about cheerleading!

Cheerleading is a fun activity for all ages. Most people have fun doing and cheer they learn how to be flexible, active, and have fun it’s awesome! 2600:1700:5280:3B00:9C39:5C26:C57A:9434 (talk) 20:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Language referring to athletes

In the final paragraph of the overview, cheerleaders are referred to as "girl athletes":

"Cheerleading carries the highest rate of catastrophic injuries to girl athletes in sports, with most injuries associated with from stunting, also known as pyramids."

This wording is either confusing or unnecessarily diminutive. Are the athletes with the highest rates of injury children? Or should it not read "female athletes"? As well there is no citation here. I would have simply changed the wording to "female athletes" but this article is protected against vandalism. 24.68.36.8 (talk) 02:20, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

More than likely the author of that section used that terminology because that is the terminology used in the source, which was specifically discussing high school and college level cheerleaders. I went ahead and edited the article based on your comment. Sorry about the page being protected, unfortunately that had to happen due to the volume of people writing nasty things about cheerleaders and cheerleaders themselves spamming the page with their own names, their team names, etc. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages)Have a blessed day. 23:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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Even though cheerleading is not recognized a sport by the NCAA. The Olympic committee considers it a sport. In fact the Olympics might an have cheer in it by 2028 and there are many scholarships for colleges cheer. Hutgut (talk) 23:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

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Abuse allegations and lawsuits, abuse culture in Cheerleading

There are a number of cases of abuse in cheerleading that are being raised in courts of law that would be good to cover as part of the culture of cheerleading, and while a lot are US based, there are some in other countries as well raising questions about it as a cultural issue within the sport much like gymnastics.

I'll come back to this talk topic and add sources and notes but I think it would be worthwhile considering adding a section about that in the context of it influencing cheer culture as a whole even internationally in the same way gymnastics abuse was pervasive across the sport. AJay9509 (talk) 05:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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