Talk:Charlotte Hughes (supercentenarian)

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A contradiction[edit]

Charlotte Marion Milburn Hughes (August 1, 1877 - March 17, 1993) is the longest-lived person ever documented in the United Kingdom, despite legendary claims such as that of Thomas Parr. She was a schoolteacher, but retired and married over fifty years before her death when she was 63. Her husband died in 1980, aged 103.

This appears to mean that she died when she was 63, with her husband living to 103. It also seems to say that she died when she was nearly 116. Which is correct? Simply south 20:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted: it should read as She was a schoolteacher, but retired and married when she was 63, over fifty years before her death (she died at 115 1/2). Extremely sexy 20:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that looks better and clearer now. Simply south 20:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's my pleasure though. Extremely sexy 21:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Her husband[edit]

You can find a Noel Hughes in the England Death Index who died in 1979 in Cleveland Country but this Noel was born in 23. Dec. 1892, so it looks like that he didn't died with 103... --Statistician (talk) 00:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth person to reach 115[edit]

In the article is said that Charlotte Hughes has been the third person in history to reach 115 years of age, after Jeanne Calment and Lucy Hannah. Actually she has been the fourth: Augusta Holtz reached 115 on August 3rd, 1986 and she was actually the first person in history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.17.4.103 (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Hughes was only the second verified person who became at least 115 years old, because Jeanne Calment is disputed as she may have been confused with her daughter and Lucy Hannah is debunked as she was possibly around 20 years younger than she claimed. The first 10 verified people who became at least 115 years old, in chronological order, were the following:

Augusta Holtz (115 years, 79 days)
Charlotte Hughes (115 years, 228 days)
Margaret Skeete (115 years, 192 days)
Tane Ikai (116 years, 175 days)
Marie-Louise Meilleur (117 years, 230 days)
Sarah Knauss (119 years, 97 days)
Maggie Barnes (115 years, 319 days)
Mary Ann Rhodes (115 years, 203 days)
Christian Mortensen (115 years, 252 days)
Annie Jennings (115 years, 8 days)

213.65.211.63 (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Calment was verified and the scepticism regarding her age has largely been disregarded as not supported by evidence. Her "disputed" status (if you can even call her disputed) is utterly irrelevant as she is still verified and there is little chance of that being overturned. 148.252.128.33 (talk) 14:13, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, Calment is still verified - it would be absurd to discount everyone who has been "disputed" as then any crank could publish something and get someone removed.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To prove if the hypothesis that Jeanne was confused with her daughter is true or false, a DNA/blood test is required. A test may prove if the one who died in 1997 really was Jeanne herself, or her daughter Yvonne who may have usurped her mother's identity, claiming to be her mother and aged 122 as of 1997 but in fact she may have been only 99 years old. However, a DNA/blodd test is so far not made, and I think people shall wait with saying that the hypothesis is "fake news", "fabrication", etc. until the eventual test is made!

P.S.: Something notable is that we had one man among the ten oldest people in history though until 22 January 2016, if excluding disputed people as Jeanne Calment and Lucy Hannah (who even is debunked now), and when Jiroemon Kimura became the oldest man ever, there were even TWO men in the top ten. The ten oldest people in history as of Kimura's 116th birthday, 19 April 2013, were the following:

Sarah Knauss (119 years, 97 days)
Marie-Louise Meilleur (117 years, 230 days)
María Capovilla (116 years, 347 days)
Tane Ikai (116 years, 175 days)
Elizabeth Bolden (116 years, 118 days)
Besse Cooper (116 years, 100 days)
Jiroemon Kimura (116 years)
Maggie Barnes (115 years, 319 days)
Dina Manfredini (115 years, 257 days)
Christian Mortensen (115 years, 252 days)

213.65.211.63 (talk) 14:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 June 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Hughes (supercentenarian) → Charlotte Hughes (born 1877) – the other Charlotte Hughes, whose article this article is dis-ambiguated from by the word "supercentenarian", is still alive. As a result, we have no proof that she'll die before 2097, which if it were to come true, it would be the sole defining criterion for showing that "supercentenarian" is a sensible dis-ambiguation suffix for this article. It's highly unlikely, but if it were to come true (the event I'm talking about, for clarification, is that the woman in the Charlotte Hughes article will still be alive as of 2097) then this wouldn't be a valid dis-ambiguation suffix. The "supercentenarian" dis-ambiguation suffix implies that the other Charlotte Hughes will not live to be 110, which means it implies that she'll die before 2097. Because she's still alive, it is thus predicting the future. Georgia guy (talk) 00:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. After reading even more carefully, I found out that 1987 was not the birth year of the other Charlotte Hughes, but the year her career began; her birth year must be before then. Thus, the year we need for her death is even earlier in the future. Georgia guy (talk) 00:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment again. After looking her up, I finally found that the other Charlotte Hughes was born in 1954. Thus, what we need for the current title of this article to be a sensible title is for her to be dead before 2064. As long as she's alive, we're still predicting the future by implying she won't live to be 110. Georgia guy (talk) 00:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It is just as much an exercise in forecasting to suppose how long someone will live. We could just as well change every "(physician)" disambiguator on the grounds that another person sharing the name of a physician could later decide to go to medical school. bd2412 T 15:36, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
...for example... Georgia guy (talk) 15:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For example, we have an article titled Paul Simon (drummer) - but what if the singer Paul Simon decides to take up the drums next year? We could move the drummer to Paul Simon (born 1950) in case that happens, but it hasn't happened yet. bd2412 T 15:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per the spirit of WP:CRYSTALBALL. The disambiguator in the current title is the best choice to let the reader know she's not the author. We can revisit this in 2064 if needed. — AjaxSmack 15:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:CRYSTALBALL means we're not supposed to make unverified speculations about the future. The unverified speculation here is that the other Charlotte Hughes will die before 2064. Georgia guy (talk) 15:53, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Even if she lives to 2064, we cannot be sure she will be notable for that. But we know that this Charlotte Hughes is notable for that right now. that is all that matters. — AjaxSmack 16:16, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    You mean, one possible story is that (assuming she lives that long) living to be 110 will no longer be notable?? If so, then why?? Georgia guy (talk) 16:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose supercentenarian is the defining attribute of the subject. Even if the other person became one, she'd probably be the primary topic or be moved to the disambig of author. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:15, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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