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Need independent/moderator review of additional citations and subsequent re-evaluation of notability tag.[edit]

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This article on Charlene Spretnak already has numerous secondary sources listed, though the notability challenge is still active likely because very few of the sources are directly cited or have links. I will provide a few more of them below (rather than editing the article) because I have a conflict of interest. While I believe I can be objective; for transparency I am requesting independent review and adoption of such material as seen fit by the unbiased reviewer(s).

Suggested edit (clarification required for clear substantiation of Green Party of the United States "cofounder" statement):

Spretnak was a primary organizer for the founding conference of the "Committees of Correspondence" in August 1984 (later the Green Committees of Correspondence), the precursor organization of the Green Party of the United States. She was the main coauthor of the book that was a catalyst for that founding conference: Green Politics: The Global Promise (1984). Following the founding conference, she co-authored a statement of the (Green) "Ten Key Values," which is used by local and state-level Green parties nationwide and which remains substantially the same as those adopted by the national-level Green Party of the US in 2000.

Factual citations for "founding" and above suggested edit:

The Green Party of California used text actually written by Spretnak regarding the early years of the party: http://www.cagreens.org/history/early-years-roots

Independent (critical) book review: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Charlene-Spretnak-s-Anti-M-by-Thomas-Farrell-110619-24.html

Another original publication -- substantiates academic notability -- An article constituting most of the Summer 1987 edition of EcoSpirit ("A Publication of The Institute for Ecosophical Studies" -- "The Institute for Ecosophical Studies is an educational non-profit organization located at but independent from Moravian College.") http://home.moravian.edu/public/relig/ecospirit/issues/Vol3No2.pdf

Progressive Radio Network host profile and show profile pages:

http://prn.fm/hosts/charlene-spretnak/
http://prn.fm/shows/together-now/ ("All Together Now")

Misc:

GregCMCSE (talk) 02:49, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notes following discussion with the subject, who had accuracy and content concerns:

Satin's article contains contentious (libelous, in fact) material about the subject which is not sourced, so it would violate Wikipedia's policies to use it in citations. To meet Wikipedia guidelines, I have removed the links to his article.

Additionally, Satin's descriptions of her participation were somewhat misleading and therefore my summary was a bit misleading as well. The paragraph above has been edited for optimal clarity.

The initial paragraph would more accurately include cultural history and feminism among her known writing topics:

... known for her writings on ecology, politics, cultural history, feminism, and spirituality.

She is done writing her upcoming book and it has a title, so the last line should read:

Her forthcoming book is on cultural history: The Spiritual Dynamic in Modern Art: Art History Reconsidered, 1800 to the Present (Palgrave Macmillan, 2014).

GregCMCSE (talk) 06:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, what work by Satin was removed? Wikipedia does not require its sources to cite their sources; I can't tell what work of Satin that was, but if it was published by a reputable publisher with a reputation for fact-checking, it may well be considered a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards, and Charlene Spretnak would have to raise any claims of libel with Satin or the publisher, not with us.

That said, notability on Wikipedia is established by third-party coverage. Of the sources you provide above, only the book review by Thomas Farrel is such third-party coverage; all other sources are affiliated with Spretnak or the events they report on one way or another. For example, the Green Party of California clearly is not an independent source on its own founding or its own founders (and it doesn't say what you want to cite it for anyway). Similarly, Spretnak's own website is not a good reference for claims of significance or prominence.

The secondary sources given in the article itself (or at least some of them) seem better, but as you said it's entirely unclear what part of the content, if any, is based on what source. The content should be a summary of what those sources report; right now the sources seem to be mere afterthoughts unrelated to the content. That should be fixed, and inline citations should be added.

Regarding your edit request, claims such as "primary organizer" or "main coauthor" would require a third-party reference. Not even the primary sources you give above support those statements. Thus they should not be added to the article unless reliable, independent sources that back up the content are provided. I have added "cultural history" to the lead, with the Farrel review as a referenc, and added another reference that seemed relevant to the "Ecofeminist" statement. I've also exchanged the maintenance template for a more relevant one. Huon (talk) 22:11, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]