Talk:Changes (David Bowie song)

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title[edit]

Why is this called Changes (Bowie) and not Changes(song)? there's currently nothing at the latter, and it would fit with the rest of wikipedia. Quentin mcalmott 10:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page move[edit]

This page has been moved to Changes (David Bowie song) as per the naming convention set out at Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Album titles and band names. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 03:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Appearances in Popular Culture[edit]

I believe there is quite a bit more references to this song in popular culture, if you count any use of the "phrase" ch-ch-ch-changes. I don't think that "phrase" appeared before this song, so I think all uses of it are connected to this song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.95.174.206 (talk) 00:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ch-Ch-Changes was the name of an episode of Popular where a teacher decided to have a sex change operation. Kirby17 (talk) 06:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not "turn and face the strange" but "turn and face the strain" according to all sources (including my own ears ;-)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.184.50.158 (talk) 12:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe one can hear another syllable after "strain" behind the "Ch-ch-etc.," but I think the word might be "stranger," which seems to fit better with the other lyrics. Just a thought. (User:BrockLobster) 2 Jan 2015.

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Fair use rationale has since been added to the image in question. Cheers, Ian Rose 09:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Bob Dylan imitation[edit]

In this album Bowie imitates Bob Dylan's singing and composition style in several songs (Song for Bob Dylan and Eight Line Poem are obvious). In Changes I strongly sense this too, especially in the second verse. Didn't find any reference, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.219.214.202 (talk) 11:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Video[edit]

I was searching for the blonde in the camisole who acrobatically dances with Bowie, but I can't find the video

anywhere whatsoever, much less any references to her. ⸘Who was she‽

kencf0618 (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can't brain. 'Twas Fame.

kencf0618 (talk) 12:44, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 00:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'll have a look soon, at first glance, two albums are duplinked in the article body. FunkMonk (talk) 00:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Damn I nom'd this earlier today haha. Thanks for reviewing so quickly. Took care of that link. – zmbro (talk) 00:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The selftitled album is also duplinked. FunkMonk (talk) 15:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
D'oh. Fixed.
  • "English singer-songwriter" Could be restated at his first mention outside the intro.
  • Done
  • Are we sure that autographed cover of the single is the original look and not just a fan who uploaded their signed copy? Googling it shows up versions without the handwritten text... And in that case, it should be replaced.
  • I was thinking the same thing, to be honest. Would this one be better? – zmbro (talk) 16:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe one of the "original" versions seen under artwork here[1] could just be uploaded over the signed file? It appears the one currently used is the French version, perhaps the UK version could be used. FunkMonk (talk) 20:13, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FunkMonk Here's the non-signed French one here. It looks like the UK single did not have a picture sleeve, as shown here. What do you think the best plan is here? Re-upload the non-signed French one or the LP-only UK one? – zmbro (talk) 21:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'd say just upload the original French version over the current one. FunkMonk (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. – zmbro (talk) 01:36, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Critic Wilfrid Mellers described this into as" Intro?
  • Yep, fixed
  • Nice to see a rock song article actually going into the nitty-gritty of chord progressions for once...
  • "His identification of himself as the 'faker' gives him anxiety, believing that he is "much too fast" to be affected by how others' opinion of him." Reads very much as an opinion itself, according to who?
  • Properly attributed.
  • "has been compared to the English rock band the Who,[21] specifically their 1965 song "My Generation" ("hope I die before I get old" versus "pretty soon now you're gonna get older")" Shouldn't it be explained that this song uses stuttering as well? Now it seems as if you only compare lyrics.
  • "The song has also been interpreted as touting "Modern Kids as a New Race"" By who?
  • Properly attributed, I also don't even know what they're talking about tbh
  • "It wasn't until" Contractions are discouraged.
  • Fixed
  • "Following Bowie's death in 2016, charted again" Missing "it"?
  • Yep, fixed
  • Everything under the Critical reception section seems to be retrospective, I think it would help balance it if there was a paragraph about contemporary reviews, if possible.
  • I'll see what I can find. – zmbro (talk) 16:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was luckily able to find multiple contemporary reviews. I think it's in a much better position now. I also added a caption to the infobox image to clear up that it was the French single one. Hope that takes care of everything! – zmbro (talk) 02:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps give dates for the retrospective reviews, to show they are not contemporary.
  • Done
  • "Following his death, he was dubbed the "chameleon of rock" by numerous publications and biographers" Wasn't he already called this long before he died?
  • Technically yeah. Fixed. – zmbro (talk) 22:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • " The song was unlike "Space Oddity" and its parent album, but rather "pure, unashamedly melodic, gleefully commercial, gorgeously mellifluous pop." According to who?
  • Doggett. He's named in the prior sentence and at the start of this sentence, it says "he states..."
  • " of the retrospectives Changesonebowie (1976), Changestwobowie (1981) and Changesbowie" You could specify these are compilations.
  • ""Changes" is the namesake of the retrospectives Changesonebowie (1976), Changestwobowie (1981) and Changesbowie (1990).[62] It has appeared on multiple compilation albums, including Changesonebowie,[63] Changesbowie" I think you could make this much more concise, now it's very repetitive. For example, "It has appeared on multiple compilation albums, including Changesonebowie,[63] Changesbowie (it's namesakes)" or similar.
  • How's that look? Should take care of the above two. – zmbro (talk) 22:04, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's ok. FunkMonk (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A quotation from the song was used as an epigraph for the John Hughes film The Breakfast Club (1985)" Makes the reader curious, is it a long quote, or could it be reproduced in the article?
  • The quote can be found here. What do you think? – zmbro (talk) 22:00, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be nice, and if you ever take this to FAC you can always remove it if someone objects there. FunkMonk (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How's that look? – zmbro (talk) 01:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, I think. Now it seems only the point about the contemporary views remains, but apart from that, I think it' close to promotion. FunkMonk (talk) 01:48, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "it holds the mark of being the last song he performed on stage before his retirement from live performances in 2006." Only stated in the intro, which should not have unique info.
  • Fixed
  • Any free photos of Bowie from this period that could be used in the article somewhere?
  • Zilch, literally nothing from '68–'71, something that annoys me to no end. – zmbro (talk) 20:34, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nice fixes, and the contemporary views are really good for context, so I will promote it now. FunkMonk (talk) 10:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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