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Chaerephon's deme of origin[edit]

Hello Isokrates -- Thank you for adding to this article. I hope that it is on your current watch list. I'm curious concerning the source of your information about Chaerephon's deme of origin. Chaerephon is of interest to me and, in my own research, I have never come across any information like this. What source have I missed? WikiPedant 05:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimately the source for this is Aristophanes's Clouds 156. But I think I found the reference in Debra Nails' The People of Plato, where she briefly discusses (p. 87) this question and cites some other secondary sources that have discussed it. Isokrates 13:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Death[edit]

The current version of the article puts his death in the span c.405-399. But if we believe Plato's Apology of Socrates, Chaerephon must have lived past at least 405 and 404 and into 403; for Socrates is made to say of Chaerephon that "...he shared in the recent exile of the people, and returned with you." This is a reference to the rule of the Thirty Tyrants, during which time many of the "democrats" went into self-exile to escape the Thirty. It was these exiles who would overthrow the oligarchy and reestablish the democracy in 403. Socrates implies that Chaerephon was one of these "democrats" who went into self-exile and who returned. Chaerephon may have died in the attempt to reestablish the democracy; we don't know. But he must have lived at least until 403 if Plato is right.Isokrates 20:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and made the appropriate change in the article. Please feel free to correct me if you find I'm mistaken. Isokrates 20:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Birth[edit]

Given what Socrates is made to say in Plato's Apology of Socrates, it's difficult to believe that Chaerephon was born much later - if any later - than 460. In fact, Socrates and Chaerephon seem to be of roughly the same age. Socrates says in the Apology that Chaerephon had been a comrade of his since the time of his own "youth".Isokrates 00:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Over the past couple of years I've done what little research there is to do concerning this curious fellow, Chaerephon, and am also disposed to think that he probably was more-or-less the same age as Socrates, although we have no absolutely conclusive evidence. The Clouds depicts Chaerephon as being, in some sense, Socrates' junior, but perhaps only as a thinker. In any case, I have no problem with Isokrates's tightening of the ranges for both Chaerephon's DOB and DOD. -- WikiPedant 01:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ambassador to Sparta[edit]

Chaerephon is mentioned in the Socratic Epistle 2 as being recommended to someone having already been a member of the embassy to Sparta. Would be interested in learning any collaborating sources of additional information about Chaerephon? For example, has anyone suggested he is a relative of Socrates' father-in-law Chaeredemus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koranjem (talk • contribs) 23:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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