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History[edit]

could someone provide the history of this activity, when was it first done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 221.121.65.133 (talk • contribs) 04:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Merging[edit]

I don't think Castell should be merged with Casteller, since there are different things to be said about both concepts, but I think there are things said in one entry that belong to the other and viceversa, so maybe that should be checked and some parts be moved from one to the other. Muriel 13:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why not. It appears that Castellers are merely the people who take part in "making" a Castell. merge. Radagast83 22:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The catalan word Castell refers both to the Human Tower, and to the actual medieval fortification. Castellers refers only to those that build Human Towers --MiquelMartin (talk) 15:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Corpulent[edit]

"Corpulent" usually means something like "obese." Is it really the case that castellers are usually really fat, or are we looking for another word? —vivacissamamente 19:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Collars[edit]

I was watching a castelling performance this weekend in Clot, Barcelona. I noticed that many of the performers gripped the corners of their shirt collars gripped in their teeth while they were building the "pinya". Is there a reason for this? Jimjamjak (talk) 09:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's so that the shirt doesn't get pulled out of place by their colleagues forming the next layer. That can hurt.

I don't know where the idea of "stocky" comes from. Many of the upper layers these days are of young ladies who are anything but "stocky". The summit of the pyramid is more often than not a pair of girls who may be 8.

You are not supposed to clap until the angel flaps her wing.

No mention is made of the moving towers. In Tarragona they commence at the foot of the Cathedral steps, climp up the steps, back down and then descend through winding cobbled streets to the place where they dismount. That tower is normally 4x1. - Sorry, 1x4

Drg40 (talk) 17:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The enxaneta stands astride the ixecador on the spare shoulder of each of the dosos. The ixecador locks up the dosos, but does not "sustain" the enxaneta, he or she makes sure the dosos platform is structurally integrated.

The top layout at the moment the enxaneta "flaps her wing"

A better idiomatic translatation for dosos would be "the two" or "the twins" perhaps "the couple", "seconds" implies a boxing analogy.

Incidentally in Altafulla last Sunday Barcelona built a castell of 5 (perhaps 6 - I had my eyes covered) which was lifted into place, new layers being added at the bottom, not at the top! The enxaneta went up wrapped round the leg of one of the dosos and whipped up to the top as the last layer (at ground level) became stable and the pinya slammed into place. Gulp. Drg40 (talk) 12:38, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Currently, the article says:

There is a form of the Castell, generally referred to as 'rising', in which each successive layer is added from the bottom by lifting the castell into the air, stage by stage. It is held that this form takes even more skill and strength and a great deal of practice. Four levels complete have been observed and five attempted, but it is said that the record is six or perhaps seven.

I suppose it refers to the castells aixecats per sota (rised from below), but actually they are quite common and la Colla Vella de Valls has rised and disassembled up to 8 levels (3 de 8 aixecat per sota) 5 times (for further information: ca:3 de 8 aixecat per sota and statistics). Other structures, like 3 de 7 aixecat per sota or 2 de 6 aixecat per sota are more common).--Ssola (talk) 15:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote that just to make sure the rising castells got a mention, but I'm happy to accept your deeper knowledge.Drg40 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC).[reply]


faixa or faja

I'd be happy to take the correction of 'faja' to 'faixa' except that when I bought my new one this year it was called a 'faja' on the label. Since that was in Tarragona I was prepared to accept what was written. On the other hand, language here is still a bit of a moving feast at the very detailed level and my understanding of whether we are in Catalan or Spanish is weak. So any detail on the correction would be welcome. Drg40 (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC) Sorry, I got that wrong. Reverted to faixa. Drg40 (talk) 13:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Catalan is "faixa".--Asfarer (talk) 11:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Know about Indian variant of Castell[edit]

Visit Govinda sport and think of trying to make this sport Olympic. Pathare Prabhu (talk) 14:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Franco did not ban castells, etc[edit]

Franco did not ban castells. After the spanish civil war (1936-1939) he forced some teams, such as the 2 from Valls, to merge. But some years later the 2 teams were split again. I have removed the sentence regarding "the most skilled castellers can be found in" because this is too qualitative. Instead, I added the 4 cities where the top 5 teams are located, which is a fact that no one can discuss. --Jordiferrer (talk) 16:51, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Music[edit]

While I can imagine that a wide variety of music can be played at these events, it seems that one piece stands out, since I hear it over and over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYvFwYNndk .

Does anybody know the name of this? Would it be worth mentioning if there was a "core" repertoire of music that is played? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.68.25.146 (talk) 00:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That video certainly includes the "Toc de castells" music which is mandatory when a Castell is built. It is played with an instrument named Gralla, (see ca:Gralla (instrument)), (similar to a Chirimia). You can see a dedicated article regarding the Castells music, in Catalan wikipedia. See: ca:Música de castells. --Jordiferrer (talk) 15:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moixiganga[edit]

Someone volunteers to translate the following article to English? ca:Moixiganga or es:Moixiganga --Jordiferrer (talk) 08:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Origins[edit]

Recently, user 158.42.243.150 made an edit claiming the origin of Castells is in the Muixeranga of Algemesí, in Valencia. While the edit is sourced to an El Mundo article, I would argue that this article is actually incorrect, and have found a few conflicting sources stating a more commonly-agreed origin (at least the one I've heard explained in the past), and am editing the article accordingly.

It's like humans and apes in evolution—both the muixeranga and the castell have a common origin—the Ball dels Valencians—but the castell is not directly descended from the muixeranga. In Catalonia the castell evolved from that in Valls, first documented in 1723, and later spread. Since the sources contradict, if anyone wants to argue with my edit, have at it and we can find a solution. acomas (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Aleta[edit]

The article states that "the enxaneta climbs into place at the top and raises one hand with four fingers erect, in a gesture said to symbolize the stripes of the Catalan flag". As far as I know, the aleta (the gesture) just means raising the hand. The Catalan article doesn't mention this fact, and the ca:Glossari_de_termes_castellers defines "doing the aleta" as "Alçar, l'enxaneta, el braç amb la mà estesa [...]". ("The enxaneta raises his/her arm with an open hand".) I will change the article in this way.

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