Talk:Carl (name)

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Etymology[edit]

The etymology is a bit Anglocentric for a page that attempts to cover the Scandinavian Karl as well as the Carl and Charles forms. How about pushing it up the family tree to the Germanic level? Bo Lindbergh 08:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please do! (I created the article mainly by merging existing articles. Do you have good sources to use?) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-08 10:11Z

I have no idea how this works, but the etymology section has no sources and offers a garbage back story I have only seen on baby name websites which also have no sources. Respectable sources all say "carl" comes from an old word referring to a lower-class or otherwise non-ranked male.

Bolded names[edit]

I added bolded names back and a metacomment on what the bolding means: the most common names. Visor, do you disagree with that, or just didn't know why they were bold? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-15 12:54Z

I just followed Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages), where there is declared "There is no need to emphasize the link with bolding (...)". After your explanation, I understand why these titles are bold, but there is another question: What does mean 'the most common' – is it according to proportion of given names in specific country (countries) or quantity of famous people? And what about differences between Carolus and Carlos in this case? Ratio of used names is 8:9 and only Carlos is bold. Visor 13:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it might be hard to define a good worldwide-view criterion. I don't know of any Caroluses so I didn't think it was that common. Do you have a good reference for the popularity of these names? Most_popular_names does not list Carolus. Google shows a lot of hits (2,000,000), but that is still small compared to Carl (94,000,000) or Carlos (67,000,000). Where did you get 8:9? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-15 13:54Z

I wanted to show that your criteria of the most common usage is quite intuitive. And as I can read above, it is. 8:9 is the list of names under article Carolus (8) in comparison with Carlos (9). I think that in case we haven't got reliable statistics for these names, we should use only bold or non-bold for all links (non-bold in my opinion). My state (of non-bolds) is also strongly 'connected' with manual style of disambiguation pages. Visor 14:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, if there is no agreeable criterion, then de-bold all. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-15 21:29Z

Info on "Carl Knoblock"[edit]

The following information was added to this page by 69.134.181.119 (talk):

[In Male given names]

Carl Knoblock (Bear fighting vigilante, Bear) See also www.freewebs.com/andcarlcarl

[In Place names]

Carl Knoblock is a Bear Fighting Vigilante, or BFV. He began his career as a Top gun during the Vietnamese War. His plane was ambushed by an battalion of supersonic bears. They took him down and his partner, Samuel L. Jackson, was KIA. Carl is quoted for saying "I'm going down Peter!!!". Ever since he has made it his life's ambition to destroty the Renegade Bear Faction. Currently Carl's frags are 126 and his deaths are 2. This is regarded is uber 1337 in the gaming community. His most recent accomplishments include taking down the Bear Overlord, which basically was the Dr. Robotnik flying machine with an attached minigun, lighting gun, and energy sword. He has also hit Getman wicked hard. Getman Other smited foes include, Wilford Brimely (that one diabetes commercial guy), Chuck Norris Bear, and a wicked huge kitty. He currently resides in his secret base in Omaha, Nebraska.

Not appropriate for the sections they're in, and, I think, not appropriate for the article at all. I'm removing it. Narsil 22:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Karl vs. Carl in German names[edit]

There seems to be an odd inconsistency in German people with one of these names. I notice that the Meyers Konversations-Lexikon of 1890 almost exclusively uses "Karl" for people whom the German Wikipedia calls "Carl". Some of these people can be verified (e.g. from painters' signatures) to have called themselves "Carl". Was this a 19th-century spelling change or attempt at "Germanization" by using the K? I also notice most of these people are called "Karl" in English nowadays, even though German seems to have reverted back to "Carl" for these people. --Delirium 22:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Karl was the originial Version, later it became to Carl (latin Version of Karl). Karl means "Kerl" (man).

Infobox name problem?[edit]

The infobox on the right has information on the name Carla.75.17.157.194 (talk) 05:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do Carl and Kyril have the same Indo-European origin?[edit]

I removed the following passage (which had a January 2010 citation needed tat)

If the root meaning is the same and the tri-literal consonant roots are identical, the only safe conclusion to draw is that the names are Carl and Kyril are (at root) the same.

Not only is this complete speculation, it's also erroneous. If anyone can find a reliable source the supports this contention about Carl and Kyril, then the material could be re-included in a modified form. However, as the passage now stands, it has no place in Wikipedia. It is original research, unsupported by reliable sources, and just plain sloppy. It is nonsense to say that simply because two words share three consonants and have somewhat similar meanings ("man" and "lord" are certainly not identical), we can be certain that they share a common IE origin. Vowels in IE languages are not some derivative feature of language: one cannot discard them and focus only on consonants when tracing etymology. And this whole idea of tri-literal consonant roots is something applicable to Semitic languages like Arabic and Hebrew, NOT to IE languages. Interlingua 13:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the article as it stands is basically worthless, or worse than worthless. Obviously Cyril is completely unrelated, but many people will just make stuff up as they go along, and somehow much of this ends up on Wikipedia. You did well to remove this particular piece of nonsense, but somebody will need to rebuilt the page from scratch. --dab (𒁳) 17:31, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Old Norse" origin, etc?[edit]

Taking issue with this reversal I think we need to have a source for the "Old Norse" assertion. The name came to Sweden with King Carl I with respect to the much earlier Emperor Carolus Magnus. I will be removing everything about "Old Norse" soon, if that continues to be unsourced. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 08:59, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is lacking.[edit]

Carl is a latinized Variant of Karl. Karl is not a Germanised variant of Carl. The origin needs proper sourcing. In regards to the bearers of the name i agree with the other poster here before me in the Talk section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.17.140.203 (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]