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Steinsky, Is there a wiki-policy on this Uk/England thing with respect to Cornwall? A lot of the Cornish towns and villages entries I feel could do with expansion/wiki-integration, and as I know something about this, I am prepared to put in the work here. I notice this England/Uk thing cropping up on several pages going back and forth between the two designations. Some of these seem to be motivated by Cornish nationalist sentiment; the place for which I think is here where there is a well balanced article discussing both sides. I personally think that Uk is the better way of stating the designation. It’s not wrong to say England, but England is not a fully autonomous country (there is no English parliament), being part of the United Kingdom. It would make sense to me that the location be stated using the larger political unit - the United Kingdom signs national treaties and has membership of the EU, not England. Carbis Bay, Cornwall, England, UK would also be fine I suppose, but I think it is a bit longwinded! What do you think? - R 11-Apr-06I don’t really want to get stuck in the middle of some editor clash, I would rather spend my time improving these Cornwall entries, but would also rather that the entries I expand be consistent.

England is probably the most concise way of describing it--go for a larger area and you loose some of the details, go for a smaller area and half the readers won't know what you're talking about. 95+% of settlements in the UK use the home nation, so it's also good to keep some consistency between articles. Joe D (t) 15:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is some merit to what you say about consistency, it does seem that a lot of the articles use the home nation. However, it certainly seems much more prevelant in the Cornish settlement articles that either Uk is used, or that there is some friction over the use of terms. It seems sensible to come to some sort of compromise about this, otherwise people who have a problem with the idea of Cornwall being part of England will continually keep coming in and changing the wording to country of Cornwall, or Duchy of Cornwall - I even saw Palatine of Cornwall somewhere! If wikipedia is about consensus then it would seem sensible to include this variation in opinions into the articles. I think that United Kingom is actually more concise, as it includes more information about the geo/political status, but understand that you think England should be included. How about something like "Carbis Bay is a bay, beach and village near St. Ives in the county of Cornwall, England, United Kingdom" or "Carbis Bay is a bay, beach and village in the southwest of England in the county of Cornwall,United Kingdom"? - R 11-Apr-06

St Ives Bay Line[edit]

I think that you are maybe being a little over-zealous. Oxford English Dictionary defines picturesque thus.

adj.1. Having the elements or qualities of a picture; suitable for a picture; spec. (of a view, landscape, etc.) pleasing or striking in appearance; scenic. Now freq. in weakened sense (sometimes depreciative or ironic): pretty in an undeveloped or old-fashioned way; charming, quaint, unspoilt.

The St Ives Bay line is considered by many to match this description (If it was describing Camborne I’d probably agree with you!). In the sentence you edited, the term directly deals with the following statement that it is one of the few profit making branchlines in the country (i.e because it is beautiful and attracts tourists, not because it is a commuter trunkline!) and thus adds subtle context to the sentence. I realise that you are trying to ensure that the article doesn’t sound like a tourist brochure, but the rest of the article doesn’t read like one so I think it’s a justifiable use of the term. If you want to add some text to clarify this point I am happy with that Mammal4 13:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]