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Martha Minnen[edit]

Martha Minnen was the last accused person from witch tendences and wizardry in western Europe. Her judicial trial was realized in 1950 in Turnhout in Belgium.== Witch trial ==The last witch trial was initiated by Martha Minnen, because her abutters Victor and Maria Deckx riped up Mrs.Minnen back and called her witch in the village of Witgoor in the Kempen region of Flanders. They told to Judge Boon, that common behavior of Mrs. Minnen smacked strongly of witchcraft,because she prioritized the nonconformity style of life. Martha Minnen warded 50 cats and gave one very special gift for the one neighborly kid: nest full of the sparrows.^[1]

Probably worthy of deletion.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 04:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted the sentence, it was rendered frutile during the 19th and 20th centuries. This is absolutely not true, in fact it was already frutile during the middle ages. B.

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Kempen[edit]

As the local (and official) name of this region is "Kempen", whereas this name is relatively often used in English, a redirect page with this title might be made (like also happened in the case of Haspengouw (Hesbaye). Limbico (talk) 01:47, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is one. Rather, it's a disambiguation page because apparently this region is not the only thing called 'Kempen'. I also created one at 'De Kempen'. On the other hand, while hesitant to getting into another move discussion, it was surprising to me that 'Campine' is more common in English. I searched each of {Google, Google Books, Google Scholar} with the language specified as English for each of {kempen belgium netherlands -camping -campaign, campine belgium netherlands -camping -campaign}. (The -camping -campaign is because google would interpret 'campine' as a misspelling of these.) Search gave: K: 7,610,000 results, C: 253,000; Books gave: K: 4,840 results, C: 7,200; Scholar (no search in English option) gave K: 2,710, C: 1,310. Based on these, I'm not sure there's enough evidence for a move, but then again Google hit counting should always be taken with a large grain of salt. Oreo Priest ^talk 18:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed there is a disambiguation page already and there even is another one as well: Kempen (Dutch/Belgian region); but 'De Kempen' is not found in "All pages" at the moment (and that's what I initially was looking for). - Limbico (talk) 20:52, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't hestitate to be WP:BOLD and create redirects if you think they're missing! On the other hand, it's probably good if you continue to seek consensus before moving any pages, as often the issue is contentious (which you probably already knew). Oreo Priest ^talk 16:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is one. Rather, it's a disambiguation page because apparently this region is not the only thing called 'Kempen'. I also created one at 'De Kempen'. ?? - Limbico (talk) 17:15, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You said "a redirect page with this title might be made". I was pointing out that there already was a disambiguation page (see Kempen), but we couldn't really change it to a redirect because there are other things called Kempen. Does that clear things up? Oreo Priest ^talk 17:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let's say that if you would as yet create a redirect page at "De Kempen", you would as yet make your statement that you created one there correct. Limbico (talk) 03:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The current name of this page is ridiculous. The Dutch name is overwhelmingly more common. I suggest that this page be moved to "Kempen (Dutch/Belgian region)", and "Campine" be changed to a mere redirect. AlexTingle (talk) 12:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And what makes you say the Dutch version is 'overwhelmingly' more common? Serious question. Oreo Priest ^talk 16:02, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is an old discussion, but it probably still deserves consideration. Unlike the case of Hesbaye, this area is ONLY Dutch speaking, and does not have any strong connection to French. Probably the French term is more common in English texts, French being traditionally used in England for many place-names in the Netherlands and Flanders. However neither name is well-known in English. I notice that the well-known placename Bois-le-Duc is for example not mentioned in the lead of 's-Hertogenbosch.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barge[edit]

Barge is referred to in the section about Turnhout. From the context it appears to be a clay product. The word is linked to Barge in the meaning of a type of boat. The barge disambiguation page refers to no clarifying article. May I suggest suppressing the link or creating a page on Wikipedia explaining what "Barge" is. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

section for replacement[edit]

I suppose we must replace this paragraph currently in the article, unless someone explains a reason not to:

In historical times, it is the reputed original territory of the Cempsii who along the Eburones, Bituriges and other Loire Celtic and Belgian tribes of the Iron Age - according to the Classic Greek writers reports- were leading a large train of mixed peoples behind them in their migration into the Iberian peninsula at the end of the Hallstatt period, looking for more benign and akin lands mostly propitiated after a combination of factors came about in those centuries: the increased aggressive pressure from the new La Tene Culture ethnic groups from further South the Rhine in their rise and expansion across much wider areas in Europe, and as result of the climatic worsening precisely too during those centuries which altered all the animal and plant life over Northern Europe for other folks, vital for their growing and harvest seasons, that will push many irremediably into migrations too across the Rhine into the area and beyond from the North and East. The Portuguese city of Sesimbra and others in central Portugal still bear their names, legacy of their important presence once settled in the region.

For information about what is really known of the earliest history see for example Eburones and Toxandri.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 22:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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