Talk:Calgary Tigers

GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments:

1. All one-two sentence paragraphs must be either expanded or merged with the surrounding paragraphs, as they cannot stand alone. (There's one left under "Western Canada Hockey League" and another under "Hall of Famers")
2. The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically, it must not introduce information that is not present in the body of the article. For example, you do not mention that they played in Victoria Arena anywhere in the body of the article. It also needs to touch upon every point/heading made in the body of the article. Currently, for example, there is nothing in the lead about the "Hall of Fame" section.
3. I feel that right from the start, the article is lacking in broadness of coverage. The article begins "The Tigers, along with the Calgary Canadians, Edmonton Eskimos and Edmonton Dominions formed the Big Four League in 1919. Billing itself as an amateur circuit in hopes of competing for the Allan Cup, it was a notorious example of what was known as a "shamateur league", as amateur teams secretly employed pros in an attempt to gain an upper hand on their competition." But the team didn't just come out of nowhere. Who founded it? Where did they found it? What were their ages? Who or what kind of people were on the original team? You don't have to answer all of these questions of course, and I suspect that since this is such an amateur team, a lot of that information may be difficult to find, but right now it's written as if they appeared out of thin air, with no background. There's no discussion on what this original team consisted of either. If I'm not making myself clear (I rarely do), it might help to check out some other GA class sports team articles. Obviously the bigger and more professional teams will have more detail and history, but it might give you an idea of the types of things that could be added. Also, there's really no discussion on their performance during the "Big Four League," aside from the final game of the final season. Surely there must be more information out there about that?
4. Some statements require citations:

   "The PrHL would last only one more season itself, as it folded following the 1927-28 season." (Western Canada Hockey League)

   "Following the demise of the Tigers, Calgary would have to wait nearly 50 years before major league hockey returned in 1975 with the Calgary Cowboys of the World Hockey Association." (Western Canada Hockey League)

   "The league renamed itself the North Western Hockey League following the season after the Saskatchewan clubs dropped out." (North Western Hockey League)

I am bordering on hold and fail, so I'll tip over to hold and see what you can do with this in seven days. Let me know if you want me to take a look at it earlier, otherwise I'll be back in a week. Thank you for your work thus far.Cheers, CP 00:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the thorough review! Some times you have to fail before you can succeed, heh. I believe I have addressed points two and four. I'll work to flesh out the Hall of Famers section, with all of the one sentence paragraphs, shortly. Broadening the history of the Big 4 league will be challenging, as given that this was nearly 90 years ago, detailed information is hard to find. I'll have to get a couple books back from the library to see what I can add. Resolute 01:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Point one addressed as well. At this point, having re-checked two of the three sources I can find on the Big Four League, I am not certain there is much more I could do to broaden the topic. At the time, senior hockey was big - probably even bigger than professional hockey - so this was no small league. However, all of the sources I have focus more on the overall controversy of the teams being pro vs. amateur as a lead-in to the formation of the Western Canada Hockey League, so details specific to the Tigers seasons those two years are nearly impossible to find. I've added a bit more, but given the age of the material, there likely is not much more that I can add to discuss the Tigers' first two seasons. I can't even find the final standings. I *believe* the Tigers and Eskimos met in the 1919-20 final, but can't actually source it, so haven't mentioned it. Resolute 00:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, this article looks much better than when I first reviewed it! Glad I put it on hold rather than failed it! I have updated my review accordingly. Cheers, CP 03:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I believe I have caught the last short paragraphs, and have also made mention of the arena in the body of the article. Resolute 05:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty impressed; you brought this from borderline fail to solid Good Article in like, a day or two! I think it now qualifies as a Good Article and will be listed as such. Congratulations, and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 05:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

And thanks for the thorough review. I was rather disappointed that the attempted PR failed to produce much of value. Your attention to detail is very much appreciated. Resolute 06:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Big Four/AAHA

I am working on the AAHA article. I have copied the Big Four text to it. Since the Big Four was technically run by the AAHA, it is probably more appropriate there. The AAHA is just a stub for now, but since the Edmonton club played for the Stanley Cup challenge, I will probably work on putting more into it. I think that it is a natural complement to the Tigers article. Alaney2k (talk) 21:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I found that the AAHA evolved into Hockey Alberta, so I've put the history into that article. Alaney2k (talk) 22:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Who is it that took it upon them-self to reinterpret the Stanley Cup playoff system in place when the WCHL and PCHA coexisted and rewrite history? The Calgary Tigers did not play the winner of the PCHA and then meet play an NHL for the Stanley Cup, and it has never been recorded otherwise in any book or article. What actually happened was that the Stanley Cup reverted back to a challenge trophy when the WCHL came on the scene and the winners of both western leagues EACH played the NHL winner for the Stanley cup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.67.165 (talk) 05:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Alberta on Ice says you are wrong. So does Total Stanley Cup. So too does the Calgary Herald. The NHL/PCHA/WCHL days had several formats to determine the champion. Resolute 14:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Legacy

The dictionary definition of "legacy" is something handed down or received from an ancestor or predecessor. Sorry, but the Heritage Classic jerseys simply have to be mentioned in this article. Even if the team did not directly come from the Tigers, but from the Atlanta Flames, the sweaters are a deliberate nod to organized hockey in Calgary. The Tigers may not be ancestors, but they are most definitely predecessors, even if not related by 'blood'.139.48.25.60 (talk) 21:51, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

None of which makes the Flames using a bastardized version of a jersey a "legacy" of the Tigers. The truth is, the Tigers' legacy was to be utterly forgotten, a fact lamented not long after the team's demise. As someone keenly interested in Calgary's hockey history, I am overjoyed that the Flames have done a little to revive the Tigers' history, but this is nothing more than trivia. Resolute 00:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Err...what else is history but the revival of trivia? This entire article is a revival of trivia. The difference is that up until the Flames decided to advertise the fact that the Tigers ever existed, perhaps 10 people would have bothered to read through this article. History is at its most relevant if it can be made "living history." Which is why we have things like Heritage Park, and throwback jerseys. Dry-as-dust encyclopedia articles chronicle things; it is up to human beings to keep them alive.139.48.25.60 (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think it is trivia as Wikipedia defines it, but this discussion has given me an idea for a proper legacy section that would incorporate this. It'll be a bit before I get around to it, however. Resolute 04:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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