Talk:Caiaphas

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Adding source[edit]

In the literature section, it needs to be added that Caiaphas is punished in the malebolge of Dante's inferno. I would like to add a direct quote of a sentence or two from a translation of inferno I own. Is that permissible? What is the correct way to do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.182.3.105 (talk) 05:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph?[edit]

was his first name Joseph?

Yes and no. His name was Yosef (which is Joseph but with the Hebrew spelling), but in his day it was spelled irregularly as Yehosef (which also is Joseph but spelled "Jehoseph"). Presumably both were pronounced the same, but the first means "(God) will add (a son)" whereas the second seems to mean the "sword of (God's name) Yahu". --Haldrik 19:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To Do list[edit]

JosephMDecock 20:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


chatty[edit]

There's a chatty reference in here referencing a "Samaritan woman" - I don't know the reference. However the aside is conversational and (I feel) inappropriate for Wikipedia.

Jesus never declares he is the Son of God [you forget the incident at Jacob's Well when Jesus speaks to the Samaritan woman] but doesn't deny the charge and makes an allusion to the Son of Man.

If someone knows what this is meant to describe, and believes it belongs in this article, please feel free to add it back in, with the proper phrasing. brain 23:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peter and John did not urge silence[edit]

"Peter and John urged silence" is a poor title for a section, considering that silence was urged upon them; they did not advocate it. D021317c 03:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I have altered the heading to make more grammatical sense in the context. FredGP (talk) 11:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Caiaphas, as title?[edit]

If taking the premise that Jesus was Christ or Messiah, referring to the prophesized, politically assumed and expected King of Kings of the united kingdom of Israel and Judea, as a starting point, then understanding Caiaphas resonnates with Jesus' appellation of Simon as Caiaphas (and Peter, cf. Egyptian Ptah and Roman Jupiter). This in turn sheds light on Yoseph appointed as the Caiaphas, high priest, leader of the Sanhedrin by the ruling Hasmonean dynasty. It is pretty clear that Jesus, as a Nazarene, looked upon this dynasty as illegitimate and corrupt, which many of the Davidian branch did, (cf. Josephus). Because the Hasmoneans, of the Herods, were not strictly Davidians. Caiaphas is also conferring with the peculiar Ethiopian (Greek) Father of Kings in the Greek mythology: Cepheus, who is according to Euripides son of Belus who founded a colony along the Euphrat, and appointed the Chaldeans as priviledged priestly caste, from whom it is popularly believed that zoodiacal astrology is derived. Cepheus is also depicted as the circumpolar constellation situated beside Cassiopeia, Which litteraly refer to the revered queen of Kush, either Queen of Sheba, the consort of Solomon (the last King of the United Kingdom of Israel and Judea before, eventually, Jesus), or perhaps a differen older original Queen Mother Bathsheba. . --Xact (talk) 19:03, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

President or member of Sanhedrin[edit]

The New Testament states that Jesus was led "to high-piest Caiaphas" in Matthew 26:57 or John 18:13. This implies that he was the president of the Sanhedrin. But this would be a Christian reference because Caiaphas was only one of the members of the Sanhedrin. According to the Hebrew sources, the Sanhedrin was led by High Priest Hillel until 30 AD and then by his grandson Gamaliel the Elder from 30 to 44 or even 50 AD (Acts 5: 34-39 and 22: 3). So, I have added this comment in the text. -- luxorion

@luxorian, I think you are on to something here, because κεφάλαιος • (kephálaios) m (feminine κεφᾰλαίᾱ, neuter κεφάλαιον); first/second declension means: main, chief, principal, primary, OR, (economics) capital, principal, OR sum, completion 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CE%B5%CF%86%CE%AC%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek

So, I think it's just saying the High Priest who was in charge that year, without specifying a name... Jddcef (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What did Caiaphus have to do with the death of Jesus Christ?[edit]

What did The High Priest Caiaphas have to do with the death of Jesus Christ? Caiaphas found Jesus a very threatening figure because he was going around teaching people things that Caiaphas did not want taught or thought differently about and he was extremely unhappy with Jesus. He wanted to get rid of him subtly as possible so he found him in the middle of the night somewhere and Jesus asked “ You saw me at the Temple, why didn’t you arrest me there?” and this was because Jesus had to many followers and they would cause an uproar and would stand in the way of his death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert.sterne (talk • contribs) 11:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of Historical Sources[edit]

A preponderance of this article focuses on the Gospels, while the writings of Josephus are not discussed beyond a mention that they document Caiaphas' term as High Priest. Does Philo mention Caiaphas? What does the Talmud say about him? It seems to me unreasonable that an article on a Jewish religious leader should focus so intensely on Christian writings, even if the Gospel writings are what make this figure most notable. 70.177.94.136 (talk) 14:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These are valid observations. According to Helen Catharine Bond, Josephus is considered the most reliable literary source for Caiaphas; see Caiaphas: Friend of Rome and Judge of Jesus? (Louisville: Westminster John Knox, 2004), pp. 18-19. I will rearrange some paragraphs to reflect the scholarly view. Baroque Trumpet (talk) 02:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tomb[edit]

I happened to come across this article while looking at something else, and discovered the section about the tomb. I've reworded the section heading to make it neutral -- this section shouldn't be used as a hook to discuss the historicity of Jesus (note that I have no reason myself to doubt that), and certainly shouldn't be worded as though his tomb was definitely found. I also discovered that the main source, Charlesworth, expresses a number of doubts about the identification but is used to confirm the identification. I've reworded it to show the doubts, added another source, etc. The situation is inconclusive and I doubt that it can ever be definitely decided either way. Dougweller (talk) 12:55, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

German scholars[edit]

Support should be given for the claim that "German scholars in the 18th and 19th centuries questioned the historicity of Caiaphas." Which scholars? How influential? Baroque Trumpet (talk) 03:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the unsourced statement. Baroque Trumpet (talk) 14:37, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have reviewed the literature on this subject, and found no indications that the "mythicists" rejected the historicity of Caiaphas. To the contrary, Thomas Whittaker believed that Caiaphas was the "true founder of Christianity." Georg Brandes, also a mythicist, writes: "And Caiaphas is an historic personality, known and named as such by Flavius Josephus, which cannot be said of Jesus, as the forged passage in the "Antiquities of the Jews" (18:63) long ago has been recognized as such by even the most conservative students" (Jesus: A Myth, 1926, p. 46). Baroque Trumpet (talk) 07:47, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Is Said"[edit]

The frequent use of this locution in isolation from any ascription leaves the impression that the source of the description is anecdotal, alleged, unauthenticated, or somehow open to question. In fact, the information is as solidly historical as any of that era so why not employ a more satisfactory term such as "described in the Gospels as" or "according to Josephus?" Orthotox (talk) 09:14, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mishnat Ha-Hasidim?[edit]

Can someone explain this term? Referring to something in a foreign language is not helpful if there is no further information readily available about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.110.102.242 (talk) 08:39, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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which temple[edit]

in which temple had jesus an argument about money at which point jesus teared down some market stables. Was this a place were stolen goods were sold? was this the temple of Caiaphas? stolen goods are from any time and any place. thieves want to sell somewere. in france that was 'marchepuis' was told to my father after lugage was stolen. 'if you are there in 30 minutes, an hour, you can TRY to buy your bag back".... comment of Police de Paris, 1983. so was Caiaphas a corrupt priest by accepting stolen goods to be sold in a temple? or was society corrupt anyway, ruling by the sword instead of reason? 85.149.83.125 (talk) 16:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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