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Did you know... that the Cão de Gado Transmontano is a giant livestock guardian dog that is used to defend flocks of sheep from the Iberian wolf?

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Attribution[edit]

Text was copied from Rafeiro do Alentejo to Cão de Gado Transmontano. See former article history for contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:42, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

English spelling?[edit]

I was not sure whether Portugese speakers from Portugal preferred British or American English or some other dialect. E.g., colour/color. I used American English, but think we should honor their preference. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cão de Gado Transmontano[edit]

Could somebody do the IPA on the name of this dog? Please.
In my opinion, this article would benefit from an addition of a section that deals with life span and health problems. I have not yet found sources. Likewise litter size, which is also typically included in dog breed infobox. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(IPA: kˈɐ̃w̃ dɘ ɡˈadu tɾɐ̃ʒmõtˈɐnu pˈuɾ sẽtˈo duzˈẽtuʃ e) Is this correct? I got it off a machine on the internet. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shortened it to (Portuguese: [kˈɐ̃w̃ dɘ ɡˈadu tɾɐ̃ʒmõtˈɐnu]) Looks better, I think. Is this correct? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:44, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Title language[edit]

Why is this article's name in Portuguese on the English language version of Wikipedia? Compare to Cão de agua Português, another Portuguese breed of dog. While a proponent of multilingualism, these dogs' names exist in English and can be translated, Morganfitzp (talk) 17:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did not originate the article, although at this point it could be said that I am a principal contributor. However, I am not personally invested in having the Portuguese name -- although this is almost exclusively a Portuguese breed, in origin, location and in practice. So I can understand those who might think otherwise. The two English language translations — Transmontano Mastiff or Transmontano Cattle Dog — redirect to this page, so it makes no great difference in practice. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:22, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I recognize your points about English in the English language Wikipedia. You have made your point, and there is merit there.

However, I think my foregoing arguments are fact-based and related to the unique particulars of this breed. Which differentiates it from other article titles.

Does that persuade you? Can we leave it alone, or is there a need for 'encyclopedic symmetry' that calls to you? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:58, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looking to Google, English-language sites call the dog by its English name, Portuguese-language sites by its Portuguese name. Were I Portugal or Brazil, dog owners would use the word "cão" or "cachorro" (both mean dog) while Anglophones in other countries would have difficulty pronouncing these words. Morganfitzp (talk) 19:48, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The club breed site uses "cão."

I don't remember what the books that I cited to used. This is an obscure locally-centered breed not recognized by any of the kennel clubs.

However we go, there will be redirects involved. In the larger sense, maybe we should get the advice of the folks at the Wikipedia dogs project. What do you think? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Com certeza! Morganfitzp (talk) 22:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Você quer assumir a liderança? I hope that google translate didn't say something stupid. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no expert on dogs, and I think for DYK the article and its title are fine as they stand. I just think its weird to have an article with a name in Portuguese when it could be in English. Note also the "transmontano" part is still Portuguese, roughly meaning "mountain-crossing," but it's so colloquial that the dog would never be called "mountain-crossing mastiff." The hybrid Portuglish "Transmontano Mastiff" is far better. Morganfitzp (talk) 23:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well said.

I know quite a bit about dogs. But this breed is so obscure and local as to not much be reflected in a lot of general literature.

Your "Portuglish" answer reminds me of my Polish grandfather's (he emigrated in 1912) use of the 'Polglish' word "sidewalki" to describe pavement that you walk on. I think we need to fit into the encyclopedia, and it would be wise to get counsel from other than you and me. Since you did not take up my invitation, I'll post it on the dog project and see if we can get more input. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Totes. Morganfitzp (talk) 03:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I posted here. Let's see who responds and what they say. Ciao. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 04:35, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing discussion about the breed and its history[edit]

Wikpedia Project Dogs 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed with the info box[edit]

I need help in order to make the following section visible: "| fcigroup = 2 | fcisection = 2.2 Molossian: Mountain type | fcinum = 368"

(according to the FCI webpage) --Canarian (talk) 15:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]