Talk:Busabout Wagga Wagga

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In Busabout Wagga Wagga you have managed to delete a valid cite and reinstate a dead one without ANY valid reason.Mo7838 (talk) 12:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Just because the source is "dead", doesn't mean that you can remove content, add content that isn't supported and give a false edit summary for the edit made! Bidgee (talk) 14:04, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

A couple of points:

1) If a source is "dead", as your source is, and cannot be traced through the Wayback Machine, then best to seek an alternative source that validates the text. This was done by adding: http://www.busaboutwagga.com.au/about.html

2) What was false about the edit summary of 'tidy up'? That is exactly what was done.

3) Then there is the poor grammar and typos you have reinstated

i) Fearnes Coaches originally began general carriers and charter bus operator - should be began as and as a charter bus

ii) founded by William Fearne and William Borlase in 1916; however William Borlase pulled out - should read either Borlase pulled out or the latter pulled out, names shouldn't be repeated in full in the one sentence

iii) By 1929 William Fearne created the first route - routes are started, not created. By should read In

iv) timetable in Wagga Wagga which started between the Wagga suburb of Turvey Park - Wagga twice in one sentence should read ...between the suburb of Turvey Park

v) which was extended to North Wagga Wagga - should read ...which was later extended

vi) William Fearne, brought the company in 1936 - brought should read bought

vii) Garry Fearne, who was a pioneer in the coach industry - bit of an overstatement, he ran the business for 7 years and as far as I am aware didn't start anything pioneering, a stretch putting him in the same class as Reg Ansett, Jack McCafferty or Russell Penfold

viii) to his wife Audrey - should read widow

ix) 5 December 2008 - sentences never begin with number or dates

x) which had been locally owned for over 92 years by the Fearnes family - repeat of Fearne history discussed above, Fearnes should read Fearne

xi) and was rebranded to Busabout Wagga Wagga - should read was rebranded as

xii) founded in 1916 & 2008, companies cannot be founded twice

These have been corrected again, can you please not reinstate. If you feel aggrieved, seek a Wikipedia:Third opinion.Mo7838 (talk) 12:21, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

3O

Response to third opinion request (Disagreement over wikilinks and grammar.):

I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Busabout Wagga Wagga and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.

I have copy-edited the article which did end up including many of the suggestions of User:Mo7838. As far as sourcing the article goes, the general policy is that if a source does 'die' and cannot be retrieved through an archive service, than a new source needs to be found. However, this does not mean that we need to remove all previously sourced content the minute a source goes inactive. In this case the best course of action would be to find a reliable third party source that reflects the material being presented in accordance with WP:SOURCE. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ Talk ♪ ߷ ♀ Contribs ♀ 03:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

History

• Current: Clive Fearne, the son of William Fearne, bought the company in 1936 until his death in 1989. The business was then passed down to Clive's son Garry Fearne, who died in 1996, leaving the business to his widow Audrey, who ran it until deciding to retire and sell the business in December 2008.

Proposed: In 1936 William Fearne sold the business to his son Clive. After his death in 1989, the business passed to Clive's son Garry. After his death in 1996, the business passed to his widow Audrey, who ran it until deciding to retire and sell the business in December 2008.

Rationale: more concise, is a given that a father's son will carry the same surname

• Current: On 5 December 2008 Sydney bus company Busabout purchased Fearnes Coaches, a company locally owned for over 92 years by the Fearne family. The company was purchased for an undisclosed amount and was rebranded as Busabout Wagga Wagga in 2009.

Proposed: After 92 years of Fearne family ownership, on 5 December 2008 Fearnes Coaches was sold to Sydney bus proprietors Joe and Tony Calabro and rebranded as Busabout Wagga Wagga.

Rationale: more concise, operation was sold to the proprietors of Busabout (the Calabros) not to Busabout. 'purchased for an undisclosed amount' adds no value, purchase price is rarely disclosed unless a listed company or government agency is a party in the transcationMo7838 (talk) 18:53, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Your Third Opinion request has been removed because the request did not comply with the requirement of the Third Opinion project page which says, "Before making a request here, be sure that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page. 3O is only for assistance in resolving disagreements that have come to a standstill." Feel free to relist it if such a standstill is reached after thorough discussion. All forms of content dispute resolution at Wikipedia require talk page discussion before requesting assistance. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:54, 26 August 2013 (UTC) (as 3O volunteer)

Foundation date

Couple of reasons why I believe there should only be one not two dates in the Foundation field of the Infobox:

• 1) The foundation date of an organisation is the equivalent to the birth date for a person, there can only be one.
• 2) Just as a person can't be born twice, an organisation can’t be formed twice.
• 3) What is now Busabout Wagga, was not formed in 2008, but a change in ownership and renaming of the existing Fearnes Coaches. Much like when a person changes their name, by deed poll or marriage, this change does not result in them being reborn.
• 4) Busabout Wagga continues to operate through the same legal entity, Fearne's Investments Pty Ltd (ACN 000 503 837), that is has since 1965.
• 5) The only exception I can think of, would be if an organisation ceased trading and then recommenced, but was not the case with the subject of this article. Mo7838 (talk) 04:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

This is a business not a person, which makes your argument rather lame and baseless. Infobox is always a "snapshot and summary" of what is contained in the article. While the 1965 registered legal entity hasn't changed, the name of the operating business has. Bidgee (talk) 05:59, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

• Point 1) acknowledges this is about an organisation, it was only making comparison to a person. My point is that a person cannot be born twice, and likewise a business/organisation cannot be formed twice, hence having 2 formation dates is incorrect. Mo7838 (talk) 12:19, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

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