Talk:Brooke Greenberg

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Notabilty[edit]

There is a great amount of coverage of this person, in the mainstream media, and in medical literature. There should certainly be an article about them. Dream Focus 09:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:ONEEVENT, WP:NOT#NEWS, and WP:BIO1E. Also, there was an article, it was deleted per basic WP:BLP guidelines. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't one event. This is a rare medical condition, apparently something no one has ever seen before, and perhaps a way to find a cure for aging. Immortality is something worthy of an article. Dream Focus 01:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen this before. In my town, in Spain there was a girl like this. She died in her fifties or so but had still the look of a 2 or 3 years old. I don't know if is the same illnes or something different with similar simptoms, but I am surprised that the article treats it as a unique case. Maybe the case I am talking about was not registered, being in a small spanish town in a time when spain was not very medically advanced, but I guess it should have been at least a few registered cases in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.231.253.158 (talk) 03:57, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article should definitely be retained. It would be better if the condition had a name, but as it doesn't, it will have to be under Brooke's name for now. There have been T.V. programmes about her since she was eight: she is definitely notable. However, mention should also be made of Maria Aldenete (see below) and the Spanish woman above if any information can be found and if she does seem to have been a similar case (rather than had primordial dwarfism or something). Salopian (talk) 05:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Similar cases[edit]

In Brazil there's a similar case of a "never-ageing" woman called Maria Aldenete. Alas, there's zero information about her in English. 188.16.95.52 (talk) Artem S. Tashkinov @ work. —Preceding undated comment added 07:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I think something about her should be added to the article. Here's the English-language search for her name: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&tbs=lr:lang_1en&q=%22maria+aldenete%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= Unfortunately, those results actually in English don't seem extant. Here's a video of her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y70QII2NqWA There are others too. Salopian (talk) 05:04, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Never ages"[edit]

Rather than state Brooke never ages, it would be better to state she never develops, as the medical abnormality is her body's inability to develop past an infant morphology rather than a proven suspension of the mechanism of ageing.Aksel89 (talk) 15:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"coverage in medical journals"[edit]

If this case is so intriguing, why has the NEJM not written about it? No physician has ever found it an interesting enough case to write a paper about? And no, Walker is not a physician, he has a doctor of philosophy degree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin1918 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you not see the paper cited below? Lawrence Pakula, for one, is a physician. And Walker has a doctor of philosophy in physiology/endocrinology, which is exceptionally relevant to this subject. Why do you even mention that he has a "doctor of philosophy degree" without saying what field it's in? I sure hope you didn't think that a "doctor of philosophy degree" means he studied philosophy! 75.27.143.66 (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is what Kevin meant. --Againme (talk) 14:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mind providing cites? Ironholds (talk) 00:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I click the first link and search for the word "journal". And I find quite easily:

In a recent paper for the journal "Mechanisms of Ageing and Development," Walker and his co-authors, who include Pakula and All Children's Hospital (St. Petersburg, Fla.) geneticist Maxine Sutcliffe chronicled a baffling range of inconsistencies in Brooke's aging process.

Common sense would indicate that such a rare medical condition, would be written up in plenty of medical literature. Just look around and you should be able to easily find something, if you believe its important to the average wikipedia reader, to link to something you know 99% of us won't read, or understand the technical jargon of if we did. Dream Focus 10:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's important to provide evidence that this is actually notable, and doesn't fall foul of WP:NOT#NEWS. That's my interest in finding journal articles, not "linking to something 99 percent of readers can't read". Ironholds (talk) 11:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above, I mean I searched pubmed and various scientific literature sites with her name and I found nothing. Obviously the name wouldn't be in the title of the journal article, but i'd assume it'd be mentioned somewhere. I'll try and look for other phrasings of her 'condition' the problem is there is no medical term for her condition which makes it very hard to search and try to get some facts on. I really don't remain convinced. If she's been this way for 16 years don't you think the news would have publicised this far more and not just now, why all these years? I guess I'm not totally sold on this idea that it's real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.154.110 (talk) 00:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They do not mention names in journal articles. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19428454 is the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.125.83 (talk) 02:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To see how this condition is reported in the medical literature, the thing to do, probably, is to look at the article by Walker and colleagues, and note the authors of articles they reference in their article and footnotes, then look at the names of people who responded to and critiqued the Walker article in later issues of the medical magazine in which it appeared and see what they have written on the subject, if anything. Also I agree that "never ages" is a sort of journalistic euphemism for arrested development.173.56.200.209 (talk) 22:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is an excellent idea. The problem is that the article is so recent that Google scholar only finds 1 citation of march 2010. A search in specific medical papers search engine, or in a few months, will give more citations. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=A+case+study+of+%22disorganized+development%22+and+its+possible+relevance+to+genetic+determinants+of+aging.&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2001&as_sdtp=on unsigned comment added by 213.244.168.133 (talk) 10:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

January 8 or August 1?[edit]

Hi,

When was Brooke Greenberg really born? January 8 or August 1, 1993?

WikiPro1981X (talk) 23:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Virus[edit]

I removed the reference from the second paragraph of the Unexplained Condition section as it linked to a virus. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17379-teenage-baby-may-lack-master-ageing-gene.html (Click at your own risk) likely a sql injection. Whiteflame74 (talk) 02:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiprojects[edit]

Shouldn't this be in the scope of other wikiprojects, such as genetics? Surely whatever this person has is will be indredably useful for finding out how aging works more, and who knows, perhaps a modern day fountain of youth. 98.24.154.187 (talk) 23:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I just added {{WikiProject Genetics}} to the top of this talk page. Dream Focus 06:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect[edit]

Can someone who knows how do a redirect here for "Brooke Greenburg"? Thanks!

Done. [1] Dream Focus 07:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

News stories[edit]

Neither the external links nor the further reading section is meant to hold a large number of news stories about the subject. These are all short news stories, they should be integrated if they have anything new to add to the page, and if they don't, they're completely redundant to the page itself and don't need to be here as wikipedia is not a linkfarm. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 11:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Doctors Baffled, Intrigued by Girl Who Doesn't Age: Years Pass, but Brooke Greenberg Remains a Toddler. No One Can Explain How or Why.
The Curious Case of Brooke Greenberg: 16-Year-Old Has the Body and Mind of a Toddler
Brooke looks like any other baby girl. But in fact, she's 12 years old The Telegraph
Doctors Baffled: Girl, 16, Has Body of a Toddler, Still Can't Speak Fox News
The Girl Who Stopped Growing
Rare conditions The Star
Doctors baffled by mystery condition that sees teenage girl with body of toddler unable to eat or walk Daily Mail
Forever young The Star
Sibs with growth deficiency, delayed bone age, congenital hip dislocation, and iridocorneal abnormalities with glaucoma

Polish website coverage[edit]

This is post from polish website, can anyone translate it into english? [It's a theory written by some russian doctor about Brooke's health problems]

Witam. Jestem Vladyslaw Kolebov , słynny endokrynolog papilarny stawów. Dla rozwiania wątpliwości : pochodzę z Rosji lecz bardzo dobrze znam język Polski . Dziwi mnie to, że specjaliści nie znaleźli odpowiedzi na problem Brooke. Jest to oczywiste. Jak wiadomo , każdy człowiek ma 206 kości , przy czym 124 to kości stawowe , 76 to kości tzw. " właściwe " a 6 pozostałych, to kości adaptacyjne. Dzielą się one na : adaptacyjne ruchowe ( jest ich 4 ) i adaptacyjne wzrostowe ( jest ich 2 ). Problem tkwi w kościach adaptacyjnych wzrostowych. To w nich zachodzą procesy stymulacyjne , które sprawiają że każdy człowiek rośnie, zależnie od genów. Natomiast u Brooke, ten proces zanikł do stopnia, że można go określić mianem zaburzenia procesów stymulacyjnych kości adaptacyjno wzrostowych ( ZPSKAW ).Mogło to być spowodowane nierozpoznaną nadwrażliwością kości adaptacyjnych ruchowych u jej sióstr lub rodziców, które są bardzo mocno związane z kośćmi adaptacyjno wzrostowymi. Narazie nie znaleziono lekarstwa na te, przyznam, dość rzadkie zaburzenie kostne.Myślę że w ok. 80 % właśnie zaburzenie procesów stymulacyjnych wzrostowych w kościach adaptacyjno wzrostowych stanowi problem Brooke. 20 % może się wiązać ze zwyrodnieniami stawowymi, najpewniej stawów szyjnych i kończyn.Ależ się rozpisałem, żegnam i pozdrawiam !

Vladyslaw Kolebov — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.116.192.112 (talk) 22:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Google translator does that. Welcome. I Vladyslaw Kolebov, the famous endocrinologist papilarny joints. For the avoidance of doubt, come from Russia, but I know very well into Polish. I am surprised that the experts did not find the answer to the problem of Brooke. It is self-evident. As you know, every person has 206 bones, and the 124 to the bone joints, 76 bones called it. "Right" and the other 6, the adaptive bone. They are divided into: Adaptive motion (there are 4) and adaptive growth (there are 2). The problem lies in the bones of adaptive growth. This is where the processes of stimulus that make each person to grow, depending on the gene. In contrast, Brooke, this process disappeared to the extent that it can be described as abnormal stimulation of bone growth adaptation (ZPSKAW). Could be due to undiagnosed hypersensitivity motion adaptive bone in her sisters or parents that are very strongly associated with bone adaptation wzrostowymi. So far not found a cure for this, I admit, quite a rare disorder that kostne.Myślę about 80% of what disorder processes in bone growth stimulation of growth adaptation Brooke is a problem. 20% may be associated with articular degeneration, stenosis and arthritis probably kończyn.Ależ note on this, I'm leaving and greet! Dream Focus 23:30, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm a sysop from Polish Wikipedia. IMHO that quoted opinion/comment of Russian specialist is most probably nothing else but some kind of joke… It comes from this site. Regards. --Pit rock (talk) 23:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Parents' religion[edit]

It seems weird that the "Birth and early life" section mentions her parents' religion. Is that really relevant information? Ytpete (talk) 03:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Time for an update[edit]

Brooke Greenberg passed away in October of 2013. Like many others, I am sure I heard about her unique condition that, after some research, has turned out to be not so unique. Syndrome X has its own wiki page. That page specifically references her condition as "Neotenic Complex Syndrome". At best this can relate to Neoteny or Neoteny in humans. There is a reference to "Neotenic Complex Syndrome" within this article that links to a website that does not contain the phrase anywhere in the document. At best we need to create an additional document for Neotenic Complex Syndrome and link the two documents together. We should also specify that it is clear that there is a more complex scenario at play. Everyone who has suffered from "Syndrom X" has lived a shorter than usual life or is currently below the expected age of death. There is even mention that her telomeres were shortening at the normal rate. This Wiki page, and those directly relating to it could benefit from a more scientific application towards this document. One that attempts to educate and identify a root cause of the abnormalities that gave way to her state of being. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.2.198.45 (talk)

The name "Neotenic Complex Syndrome" is WP:UNSOURCED. I cannot find anything like it. Can you provide a citation that describes it? There was an apparently short article, but it was deleted. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neotenic Complex Syndrome. I did find this article published last year about Greenberg; it doesn't mention any new name for her condition and in fact refers to it as "syndrome X " throughout. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:40, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neotenic Complex Syndrome.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 15:51, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nine months to one year[edit]

Does nine months to one year mean four months or between nine months and a year? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iohannes Grammaticus (talk • contribs) 03:37, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It means "somewhere in the range of". Are you implying phrase in the second sentence "had an estimated mental age of nine months to one year" is not clear? If so, it would be better to say what you mean directly then resorting to sarcasm. It does not translate well over the internet. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:51, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Brooke grenberg[edit]

No me gusta lo que le ponen que es todd 161.138.23.47 (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photo?[edit]

Per my understanding of WP:NFCI, we can upload any reasonable photo of her under a non-free license because she is deceased. I'll do so shortly after this post. toobigtokale (talk) 19:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]