Talk:Brigid's cross

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Review: May 21, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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The image that keeps reppearing on this page is copyrighted- this is MY image, and is NOT in the public domain. Please do not repost it.

-Ril-, why did you so vehemently state "Image is not copyrighted. The user who removed it is simply a vandal"? It seems quite clear to me that Image:Sbcross.jpg has been lifted from here, with no justification given by the uploader for it's usage. I have listed it on Wikipedia:Copyright problems. --Stormie 13:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted it and replaced it with a new image. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 19:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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I added the tag because of the below paragraph. I'm Irish and have lived in different parts of the country, I've never heard of the fire protection superstition and while the cross was a common symbol when I was a child I can't recall seeing one in a house for at least 20 years.

"Many rituals are associated with the making of the crosses. These are often still carried out today and many Irish homes still feature Brigid's crosses. It is a common belief throughout Ireland that a Brigid's Cross protects the house from fire."

The statement below is also unsourced, I was taught in school that Bridget never existed and was just a co-option of the earlier Celtic god by early Christian missionaries.

"Brigid's crosses are associated with the Irish saint Brigid (who was given the name of the Celtic fire-goddess by her pagan father) and are constructed on the saint's feast day (1 February, Lá Fhéile Bhríde/Imbolc)."

Jkspratt 11:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re-added Weasel tag as this article still fails to provide sources for the claims highlighted above.--Jkspratt 13:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the second claim need to be referenced? Brigid's crosses are associated with the Irish Saint Brigid, hence the name. I would have thought that was self evident. You may have been taught that St. Brigid never existed, but she is still a recognised St (as far as I know), even if some of the legends about her are far-fetched. You could point out that her existence is unlikely - but that would be more relevant on a page devoted to her, rather than to the St. Brigid's cross. Also the crosses are traditionally made on St Brigid's feast day - that is the only time of the year that they are made.Again, i think this is far too self-evident to require a reference.

Also, with regard to Brigid's crosses in houses, in my experience many schoolchildren make them at school in art class, often following a story about St. Brigid. (i went to primary school in South Dublin - far enough out of the city to have fields with rushes that we could use, and i have heard of kids in more urban areas making them with drinking straws!) and therefore it's not unusual for them to be displayed even in non-religious households. (Much like parents might display other art-work by their kids) As for the fire protection, while I do acknowledge that it is not a widespread belief, i have definitely heard that it was believed in the past 194.209.8.141 (talk) 12:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

St Bridget's Cross. I was in Agadir, Morocco last week and I dined in a Restaurant in Agadir called Le Tour da Babel. This restaurnat was round in shape and had some ornate carved wood around the main doorway. To my astonishment I saw what I understood was St Bridget;s cross incorporated in the wood carving. The woodcarving seemd to incorporate St Bridgets cross , so I obviously asked myself what indeed was the origin of St Bridget's cross. In a different building the Hotel Tagadirt also in Agadir I saw "another" St Bridget;s cross. This was "a" St Bridget's cross in the centre of the Star of David. So this leads the question? where did the St Bridget's cross originate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.156.60 (talk) 11:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the whole paragraph "It should also be noted, that before "St." Brigit was turned into a catholic saint she was first one of the most worshiped Goddesses in Celtic culture. Brigit was actually one of the triple Goddesses and highly powerful. Her cross originally stood for the four elements: Earth, Water, Air, and Fire." Brigit and St. Brigit are separate entities, one an actual person who was sainted, and the other a Celtic god. There is no evidence that this cross was in ancient use to symbolize the classical elements. You really need to provide sources before editing or adding to articles, otherwise the article becomes misleading and biased. 76.65.28.217 (talk) 15:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 23:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks interesting, I'll get to this in the next few days. Ealdgyth (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Design:
- Suggestion "Brigid's crosses broadly refer to a group of Christian crosses woven out of straw or rushes.." maybe "Brigid's crosses broadly refer to a type of Christian crosses woven out of straw or rushes" instead?
  - Done
- Suggest listing the eight types right after "has identified eight basic shapes." and then starting a new paragraph to start enumerating the 8 various types.
  - Done
- Suggest linking "spinning wheel"
  - Not done I am referring to a general wheel in motion here, not the object of a spinning wheel; will take suggestions for how to rephrase without repeating "wheel in motion"
- I'm counting seven types listed: diamond/lozenge, swastika, three-armed, wheel cross, interlaced, bare cross, sheaf cross.. what's #8?
  - I went back to the source itself; single and multiple diamond were categorized separately, while the Sheaf-Cross appears to fall under the "miscellaneous" category.
Folklore:
- "some 200 years after she was born" but ... we don't give a date for her birth so knowing that the hagiogrpahy was written 200 years later still doesn't help us know when she lived or when the hagiography was written.
  - Added approximate DOB to the first sentence.
- "Brigid was bestowed a poisoned" .. a bit awkward... suggest perhaps "given" instead of "bestowed"
  - Changed
- "attributes prescribed" I think you mean "ascribed" - Merriam-Webster definition of prescribe has a connotation of rulemaking/directing something
  - You're right, changed
- "that Christian forces added" forces seems a bit off here - perhaps just "Christians" or maybe "early Irish Christians"?
  - Changed to "Christian missionaries", as the change is attributed to those who wanted to convert the pagan population by integrating their symbols into Christianity.
Nice little article, just a few suggestions above. The only thing that's required for GA is straightening out the eight types of crosses thing, everything else is just a suggestion.
I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 16:50, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GhostRiver: - I see the exams notice, any idea when you'll be able to get to this? Ealdgyth (talk) 13:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ealdgyth I'm graduating from my M.S.Ed. program this weekend and will be busy with my family. I can get to this on Tuesday once they depart and the festivities conclude. — Ghost River 14:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries at all, just was checking in. Take your time. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the wait, Ealdgyth, I've addressed everything. — Ghost River 19:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All these look good, passing this now. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]