Talk:Bradford Grammar School

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assess[edit]

You don't need me to tell you that this is a school of high importance... could even be top. You have several people of international stature as old boys. The article itself is on the short side and I suspect has not included all the claims to notability that you have in over 400 years of history. The next stage is to get a "B". The most important missing aspect is refs. You need to find six, seven .. more sources. Books, sites, novel, biographies and using these as sources build up this article. You will need to learn to use the ref tag^[1]. Look below and then see how the ref tag can be used. If you have some bright students or alumni then they should help. You need many voices to avoid it sounding like an advert. Victuallers 08:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Started referencing some stuff, and adding new stuff. Its not half hard trying to refernce some of those things though!!! MikeLeeds 17:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget pictures, and watch your tone, theres a lot that could be considerred WP:POV. Double/Triple your reference list and do some rewriting and it could even be GA. Adam McCormick 01:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

^ Where is the source for this comment?

Decide what you need pictures of. Load them into wikipedia and then add the articles. Victuallers 08:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of the references 2 or 4 in any way refer to the content of the sentences they reference. Furthermore, both comments appear to be random negative comments. If it is true that the masters believe that the standards are slipping, there should be a proper reference as this is a significant point. The point that intelligent pupils cannot go to BGS for free is true but irrelevant and frankly silly. My son attends the school so I have a vested interest and I shall therefore leave any editing to someone else (for the time being). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.171.148.180 (talk) 19:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem here is that the page refereed to is continually updated and older material is removed. You will need to look at the page as it stood when the reference was added, probably via the web archive if it is available. Also as the inserter has not given details of the accessed date you will need to look through the article history to find when it was added. Keith D (talk) 20:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged both references as {{failed verification}} to flag up the problem. Keith D (talk) 20:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You've made B[edit]

Well done .... you have lots of references ... you can now set your sights on being "GA" or higher. There are very few UK schools at this level and only about 15 or so in total... so its quite prestigous. At GA you will need to get peer review by a group of people and fulfil criteria but I fgeel you are well set up to do this Victuallers 18:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The school Motto[edit]

The schools motto is 'Hoc Age'. The translation of this into English has been disputed of late, and there is a regular edit - either to 'this time' or back to 'do this'. The translations should be discussed here, rather than just editing the page. When changing the motto on this page, please also change the motto in the info box. It is no good having two different mottos on the same page for the same organisation. I am a pupil here, and I have always understood it to be 'do this', however, it should be a proper translation.

Merriam-Webster agrees with you - 'do this'. I'd be inclined to correct it and cite the dictionary. -- roundhouse 18:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changed and referenced! MikeLeeds 16:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That will make a nice bit of controversy and give you a chance to show that you can do a ref well Victuallers 19:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talking of controversy I clicked on "Many pupils use Frizinghall railway station for their daily journey." and that tells me the school has not been operating continuously ... no mention of that ... but that is interesting..tell us more Victuallers 19:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The school has operated continuously since its foundation but Frizinghall railway station hasn't. It was closed but reopened, principally to serve the school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.171.148.180 (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's this too: Notes on Suetonius. Google has 900 hits for "Hoc age". -- roundhouse 21:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Headmaster[edit]

Incidentally this chap R B Graham was head at Bradford Grammar, 1938 to around 56. Perhaps you can dig up some more, for a Wikipedia article on him, eg there will have been an obituary in the Bradford press in 1957. -- roundhouse 19:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Old Boys[edit]

Do old boys have to have been taught at the school? Or do old teachers count too? Charles Thomson Rees Wilson was not a pupil, but he did teach. Does that make him an old boy or not? As well as that, do you not think that this list could go on abit, and make the article over-long? Other schools have got serperate articles (just lists Eton Collage). Most people I imagine would not want to read all the different people who have been to the school... MikeLeeds 11:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, only former pupils are old boys. Eton and a few other schools have separate lists because they have many notable old boys. I very much doubt that Bradford Grammar School has enough for a separate list. Remember, it's notable people only. The list already contains every old boy who has an entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (I know, since I added it), so I don't think it's going to get that long. -- Necrothesp 12:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As has been said some schools use categories to store old boys. Lists for notable staff is obviously a good idea and if the school itself has ever "starred" in any films. If you have used the ODoNB then you can use that as a ref for any that you have no other ref for. By the way "Did J B Priestley attend your school. I found a bio that said he did. What does ODoNB say? Victuallers 14:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in the edit summary, the DNB says Priestley attended Belle Vue School and not BGS. Categories supplement lists, but they're not a replacement. No reason there can't be a cat for Old Bradfordians as well as the list. Incidentally, I'm not sure who you're replying to here, but it's not "my" school - I've never been there. -- Necrothesp 15:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is 'my' school. I am a pupil there. Maybe they were refering to me. The school was in a couple of films, but theyre not really worth monetioning the parts were so small (I'm talking in the last 10 yesrs only). Also, I'm almost certain Priestly did attend Belle Veiw, although the school does have links with his family (a book was relaunched by his son at BGS not long ago). MikeLeeds 16:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've made Category:Old Bradfordians using the list + a search on wikipedia for BGS - there are 2 or 3 ex-teachers with articles + also a current student (not yet an OB). Also some of the articles on the list don't mention BGS (eg the Franz Ferdinand member) in which case I haven't included them. -- roundhouse 11:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cadet Force[edit]

The statement that the CCF was reduced to only an Army contingent in the 1960s is wrong. Between us my brothers and I (Evans CC, Evans LH and Evans GW) covered the entire period from 1954 to about 1975 with only a two-year break. I was in the Navy Section from 1954 to 1960, LH was in it from about 1964 to 1972-ish and GW remembers it from his time up to the mid-70s.

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Meaning Unclear[edit]

In the 2nd para is "[BGS] ... does not offer scholarships based on academic achievement, a policy enforced by a previous headmaster, Stephen Davidson."

I'm not sure what the "enforced by" bit is saying. Does it mean that the rule always/previously existed but was ignored before Davidson decided to enforce it. Or does it mean Davidson created this as a change in policy - in which case "policy introduced by" would be clearer (and also wouldn't the governors have actually had to agree the policy - so perhaps "proposed by"?).

Also, Davidson doesn't appear to be mentioned anywhere else in the article and so no dates of his headmastership are given. Thus there is no indication of when this happened - quite recently or a very old policy? I happen to know he was after my time - but other readers might not have any clue and I'm not sure exactly when he was in post - in the late 1990s or 2000s? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.245.230 (talk) 11:34, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Peacock template removed[edit]

I've made some minor adjustments to the article. The more notable ones are in regard to phrasing that refers to relative chronology, e.g. the "recent" renovation of facilities. These inclusions are not only vague, but hold no real use to the practical reader, and I believe serve only to promote the school by touting its facilities. If renovations are worth mentioning, they should be accompanied by a date, but it's likely that these minor details would be better included in an advertisement for the school rather than an encyclopedic entry.

With those adjustments, I believe the peacock template is no longer necessary, and have removed it. If you disagree with this decision, please comment here so I can attempt to make further fixes, or attempt to fix the remaining issues yourself.

Thanks! Skeletor3000 (talk) 22:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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