Talk:Blood on the Tracks/Archive 1

Archive 1

Chekov connection

Whomever added the bit about fans debating whether Tracks is based on Chekov stories, could you provide a link with such a discussion? I only ask because I am _so_ curious; this is my favorite album. Emailing me the link would be helpful, christiant [at] gmail [period] com

Salon.com as a source for this article

This article uses salon.com as a reference. A concern has been raised about the reliability of salon.com. You can read the following discussion and comment if you like. SeeTalk:Salon.com/as_a_source_for_Wikipedia.Andries 04:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation?

I have a feeling this [1] was lifted from somewhere, possibly from the liner notes on Biograph? I don't have it handy, does anyone have a copy around or recognised it? It's very familar sounding to me and a lot of stuff to just drop into an article... RxS 02:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Rx ... I see that you've removed this large section from the article. Were you able to determine conclusively that the text was lifted from somewhere? Just wondering. This text, as well as the "The Songs", "Outtakes and alternate versions" and "Aftermath" sections, were added by User:L1759 back in October 2005. Since this user has no WP contributions since last September, it's doubtful that we'll get any information about the source by leaving a note on his/her talk page. But it might be worth a shot.

Oops ... nevermind the last part of my message. I just discovered that you already left a note on the editor's talk page. I take it that you didn't receive a response? --Sanfranman59 02:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

No I didn't. I have nothing conclusive, but I know I've read that stuff before. My guess is Biograph but I don't seem to have it around anymore (which is hard to believe, I used to have it in heavy constant rotation). Anyway, it's all pretty familar to me...I'm pretty sure it's a cut and paste job from somewhere. I must have missed the other 2 sections you mentioned...from the same source I'd expect. It's driving me crazy trying to remember where I've read it before. I was hoping someone would come along who knows. RxS 03:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It's cool that you're worried about a possible copyright violation. However, until you have something conclusive then deleting such a wealth of information is only detrimental to this album's history and educating new Dylan fans. I'm not going to revert it because I don't doubt your suspicions, but I seriously doubt the user that made the edit will show up any time soon. That said, if you can hurry and find a source to back up your suspicion then that'd be great. Cheers! 216.244.40.231 05:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure it's lifted from somewhere. If you look you'll see that the whole section was pasted into the article in one edit, it's professionally written and has (unreferenced) details no one would know about unless they were involved somehow. I know I've read it somewhere...it's positively taken from somewhere, at the very least it should be referenced. RxS 15:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

You have a fine memory, Rx StrangeLove. It turns out that the information you suspected was apart of a copyright violation does, in fact, come from a published source. Bear in mind that I haven't finished it yet, but judging on the few familiar sentences I've come across thus far, I'd wager that all of it comes from the book "A Simple Twist of Fate: Bob Dylan And The Making of Blood on The Tracks" by Andy Gill & Kevin Odegard (ISBN 0-306-81413-7). Hope this helps! 216.244.40.231 21:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't actually remember reading that book...is it new? Maybe I read a excerpt, though I'm pretty sure it's been a few years since I read the material that is familar to me....anyway, this might be a good article for me to work on when I have some time. It certainly deserves better coverage. RxS 04:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It was released sometime in 2005. It covers little details like Bob using the wrong key of harmonica during the recording of "Lily, Rosemary And The Jack of Hearts", Charlie Brown of Deliverance using (specifically) a "yellow legal pad" to scribble down chords as Bob blasted through a demonstration of his new songs, Tony Brown noting that he consciously chose to emulate Charlie McCoy's bass playing from the John Wesley Harding album during the New York recording sessions, and producer Phil Ramone recalling exactly what microphones were used during the recording of the album. The way that the October 2005 edit was written is essentially a condensed version of the book and nothing short of the quotations from those involved in the album's recording are verbatim. Now, do we reference a single source for so much information or would the edit have to be scrapped entirely? Cheers. 67.101.182.96 22:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

How did this article

...get to be by far the worst and smallest of any of the articles for Dylan albums, considering this is easily one of the most talked about Dylan albums and should also have many details to report on its recording sessions, various readings of the lyrics and the influence it has had?

I just spent 15 minutes each reading brilliant (though admittedly, unsourced) articles on Street Legal, Planet Waves, even the Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid Soundtrack for god's sake. These are albums no one but Dylan fans has even heard of anymore. Yet no one has bothered to assess Blood on the Tracks as "high importance" yet? It doesn't seem to follow the same comprehensive template as the others. 172.146.244.91 11:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

At the moment it is the center of some controversy. Read the "Copyright Violation?" discussion above for more. 216.244.40.231 21:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Actually I used multiple sources. Gills and Odegard's "A Simple Twist of Fate: Bob Dylan And The Making of Blood on The Tracks" had helpful information from Phil Ramone about Columbia's studio in New York and information about the Minneapolis sessions in December of 1974. Books by Clinton Heylin and others were even more helpful.

Everything that's in quotation marks were direct quotes taken from these sources. Everything that isn't, it's information I re-worded. The whole thing was done in one edit because I typed it all out in Word first, then I pasted the finished article into wikipedia. Feel free to make changes because I have absolutely no motivation to do anything else with wikipedia.

L1759 02:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Blood on the Tracks/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

To meet the more rigorous criteria of the revised B class, this article needs to flow more logically. The "notes" section, which may well qualify as a "trivia" section, is a series of disjointing thoughts that should be incorporated into a prose section with logically developed paragraphs. Additional improvements may also be necessary. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Assessment for additional information on B class in album articles. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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Half-Speed Master

It should be noted that the original master tape was slower than the recording released on the album. A Vinyl-Edition of BoTT was released, the so called "Half-speed mastered" recordings. Dylan sped it up after recording it, due to the fact that he thought it "dragged". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.173.195.167 (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I believe you are confused - "half-speed master" refers to a process used by several record labels, most notably Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab, back in the late 70's, in which the master tape and the cutting lathe's speed was slowed by half in the mastering process. Supposedly this created deeper grooves and, consequently, a better sounding recording. You can read a better description of it at Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab#Half-Speed LP Mastering. Many albums were reissued using this process, and bore a sticker or banner across the top of the album reading "Half Speed Mastered". If Dylan actually sped up the original master tape, an idea which I find implausible, there would be a noticeable change in pitch to the recordings. He might, however, have replaced some of the songs with faster versions shortly before Blood on the Tracks' release (although I'm unaware of this) - perhaps that is what you heard of? - I.M.S. (talk) 04:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Dylan did speed up the album, and the Half-Speed Master used the original pre-sped up master tape. The Half-Speed songs all run approx. 2% longer than its original counterpart. It's worth mentioning in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.142.161.19 (talk) 20:34, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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