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Black swan emblems and popular culture was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
February 10, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
February 15, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

Another reference[edit]

This page is on Black Swans as icons, but I have not seen it used. A neat article with some good angles, image-wise. By the way,

← no mention of the motto ... Cygnis insignis 10:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ther is now, thanks to User talk:TRS-80 Cygnis insignis 13:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

I took this review to clear out the good article backlog in the Miscellaneous Category. Before today I have not considered this topic, making me eligible to review.

When comparing this to GAC1, I find that the article is well written and has no apparent grammar errors. I would recommend rewriting the intro to FA standards. Also 2,3,4,5 have been met.

Images are provided and in sufficent quantity. I would add more if possible.

In all this is a good article. By meeting the criteria, it passes.

Geoff Plourde (talk) 18:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I got something wrong,

but

Swan is not Swat, isn' it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.115.48.162 (talk) 17:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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Great article, but a bit of a split. The article, Black Swan, needs to have a summary of this one. More than a start, though it needs a copy edit to tighten up the prose. Select images of paintings, wembleyware, architectural features and iconography would be useful, unless I overdo it! :) Cygnis insignis 09:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Substituted at 18:10, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

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Result: Delisted. Femke (alt) (talk) 08:45, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Parts of this article are poorly written and just indiscriminate collections of information. The Place names sections are particularly bad for this, but the following excerpts illustrate this as well:

In the history of the Western Australian Government Railways – the black swan emblem occurred between the 1920s to the 1980s.
The Wembley Ware range of "fancy ware" was produced between 1945 and 1961 by HL Brisbane and Wunderlich Ltd/Bristile in Subiaco. The Wembley Ware range typified the spirit of post-war buoyancy in Western Australia during the 1950s, with art ceramics specifically for a local market using emblems of local Westralian identity. The majority of the works were decorative rather than functional to escape high taxes on purely decorative ceramics at this time and exploited highly coloured glazes and overtly Australian content in their designs. The majority of Wembley Ware was created with an apparent intended purpose such as vases, ashtrays or lamps, but these were usually superfluous to the designs. Some of the most sought-after and eccentric designs included the open-mouthed dhufish vase and black swan ashtray. A variety of swan-shaped ashtrays and vases were produced in a range of sizes, colours and glazes. It's not until the last two sentences of this paragraph that black swans are even mentioned.
The music section is just a list. Needs to be converted to prose and sources added.

Many sections lack sources. Some of the sections that do have sources are less than ideal. For example, the source for The more generic toponym "Swan", invariably referring to black swans, has at least 34 examples in Western Australia, almost entirely in the state's south-west. is just a map of place names. This sentence is essentially original research. There are many other examples similar to this within the article. Other examples of original research are as follows:

The Swan River is the source of at least eight shift names, forming the largest swan place-name cluster in Australia.
The rarer form of Cygnet ("young swan") only occurs in three places, all along the Kimberley coast, where they commemorate the passage of William Dampier and the mutineers on the Cygnet in 1688. This sentence really shows the issue with original research. The cygnet was a ship named in Europe. What has it got to do with black swans at all? They were probably thinking about white swans when naming this ship.
With one-third of Australia's continental coastline within Western Australia, the cultural associations reflected in the scattering of shipwrecks named "Black Swan" is surprisingly small.
Black Swan occurs rarely in literary titles. The State Library of New South Wales catalogue lists only ten fiction titles, one of which is an English-language translation of Thomas Mann's 1954 work The Black Swan.
Many more examples within the article.

Miscellaneous issues:

and the toponymist Reed lists only the Swan River as a "Swan" toponym in the state. How can this be true given the preceding paragraph? Also, who is Reed? No first name?
No other state or territory arms in eastern Australia include a black swan. Does this need to be mentioned?
Surely there are examples of Swan place names, Swans in coats of arms, Swan sporting teams, etc in other parts of the world. This article seems rather Australian-centric.
We could do with a better lead.

Steelkamp (talk) 06:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delist massive WP:UNDUE issues. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:55, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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