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Orphaned references in Black Power movement[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Black Power movement's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ReferenceB":

  • From Abolitionism: Monticello Foundation, 2012
  • From Socialism: "Socialism" at Encyclopedia Britannica
  • From Patty Hearst: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/hearst/hearstranscriptexcerpts.html
  • From Racism in the United States: Sakamoto, Taylor (2007). "The Triumph and Tragedies of Japanese Women in America: A View Across Four Generations". History Teacher. 41 (1): 97–122.
  • From Black Panther Party: Donald Cox, "Split in the Party", New Political Science, Vol. 21, No. 2, 1999.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:10, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove belligerents[edit]

The black power movment weren't making war against anyone. Then why have "belligerents" as a part of the article? Even though they may have disliked the goverment or KKK. The American nazi parti is a small group nearly without members.

2A02:2121:4A:2556:0:0:640:D301 (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Mitchumch (talk) 00:27, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There were no civil conflict. And at least remove the nazi party. Nazism is german nationalism and anti-jewish. 2A02:2121:46:8BE:0:1:337C:5E01 (talk) 17:36, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Malik Shabazz, you've edited this article--I went back a bit in the history but haven't yet found where that "civil conflict" infobox was added. I have to say, using that box seems ridiculous to me. I can list a whole bunch of things the various movement were against, and I'm tempted to just put RACISM on the right-hand side--but I don't know what the proper flag is for that. Sure, this was a "civil conflict", but not in the sense of a civil war with parties and armies and stuff. Any thoughts on this infobox? Drmies (talk) 17:57, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Drmies. Evidently the "civil conflict" infobox template has been in use since the article was created. There's a great deal of original research in much of that editor's work, including this article, the infobox, and the two boxes under it, Template:Campaignbox Black Power movement and Template:Black Power sidebar. In some people's minds, the rise of "Black power" as a slogan and as a so-called movement was part of a conflict, but those are largely the same people who think "Black Lives Matter" is an anti-white slogan and see "black identity extremists" behind every tree. (I'm waiting for that "fake news" article to be created. It's only a matter of time.) — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:34, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, they are behind most trees, Malik, waiting to strip the whiteness from all godfearing citizens of Alabama... Well, let's see if we can improve this article some. Thanks for your reply. OH! Do you want a fun fact? At someone's place of work the "MLK" designation "accidentally" fell of the calendar for the holiday (two days, on the academic schedule) this January. The person in charge of the outfit couldn't explain how this happened but promised it would be taken care of. 2017--many, many years after "Happy Birthday (Stevie Wonder song)". Drmies (talk) 15:46, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • Let's roll: Almighty Black P. Stone Nation is now removed. Their article says nothing about the connection with this movement, and the source, Robert W. Dart, "Views from the Field: The Future is Here Today: Street Gang Trends," Journal of Gang Research 1.1 (1992), 87-90, is suspect: that outfit, the National Gang Crime Research Center, is run by one guy, with no mention of an institutional affiliation. Their journal, the Journal of Gang Research, isn't indexed by anything I have access to, and before we taint an entire movement by sticking a gang in there we are going to need some solid evidence. Drmies (talk) 16:00, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • The other gang is gone too. Malik, check this out. No reference, no nothing. Good thing it didn't show up in the infobox. Drmies (talk) 16:17, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • And please have a look at this--I followed your pointer. Drmies (talk) 16:26, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Revolutionary nationalism[edit]

Malik objected that one does not achieve nationalism, but nationalism seems to mean "the attitude that the members of a nation have when they care about their national identity." An attitude is something which can be achieved on both a personal and mass level. Also, numerous reliable sources, including Panthers themselves, have called the BPP "revolutionary nationalists," so I'm wondering why nationalism isn't considered a significant part of Black Power, especially since those who were largely outside the BPP, like Stokely Carmichael and Amiri Baraka, were most definitely nationalist. GPRamirez5 (talk) 00:49, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a good RS on the subject:
And although the Black Panthers are at odds with some aspects of black nationalist ideology, especially cultural nationalism, they have embraced some of the principles of cultural nationalism, particularly those of the Afro-American student groups...Although the nationalism of the Black Panther party differs sharply from that of some of the other contemporary black nationalist groups, it is difficult to see how one could fail to acknowledge its preeminence as the leading revolutionary black nationalist group in the United States at the present time.

-GPRamirez5 (talk) 01:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Hi GPRamirez5. I apologize for not starting a discussion here after my edit. My objection wasn't that the Black Power movement was not nationalist, because it was. The problem was the way the sentence was worded, "The Black Power movement was a political movement to achieve a form of Black Power and nationalism." (Nationalism is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as "Devotion to one's nation; national aspiration; a policy of national independence" and in the American Heritage Dictionary as "Devotion to the interests or culture of a particular nation".) One may encourage nationalism in others, or inspire it, or inculcate it, but I don't think nationalism can be achieved. (Self-determination or independence can be achieved, and those are typically the goals of nationalists.) I think it would probably be best to restore the word nationalism with an appropriate verb before it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No worries Malik. I noticed there was controversy about the term on the Black Panther Party page so I didn't understand exactly where you were coming from.-GPRamirez5 (talk) 02:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WTF with these tags[edit]

Does anyone understand why there's a tag about organized crime on the top of this Talk page? Even the tag about Chicago doesn't really belong here...-GPRamirez5 (talk) 02:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite suggestions[edit]

This article was formerly tagged as needing a copy edit, which I worked on. However, I think it fundamentally has a problem with content, and this stems from the use of primary or low-quality sources. I recommend obtaining some broad, academic history books (some do appear in the bibliography) and using them as a starting point for answering the following questions:

  1. What's the difference between Black Power and the Black Power movement? What should this article be about, specifically?
  2. How and when did the movement start?
  3. What organizations were involved in the movement? Why did they get started, what did they do, why did they disappear? The article names several in a rather unrelated way, and it often lists individual shootings or bombings without putting them in a broader context.
  4. How did people who were not part of the movement react? It is not very useful to say that the police arrested a shooter, it's more interesting to talk about COINTELPRO or political response. But make sure these are tightly linked to the Black Power movement.
  5. How and when did the movement end?
  6. What is the legacy of the movement? Mere comparisons are of limited interest, but direct connections are certainly important. How do people view the movement today? Do they disagree, and about what?

Although much of what is in the article now is a good base to work on, it should be reorganized around answering questions like these. In the process it could use a lot of trimming in some areas, but a lot of expansion in others, with better connections throughout. With the use of high-quality sources, it will probably be apparent what a logical organization for the article is. Kim Post (talk) 09:22, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some suggestions for articles and texts would be welcome. Jahasrad (talk) 08:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent addition[edit]

This is an encyclopedia article about the Black Power movement. With no analysis of the video, a link to a YouTube video of a recent anti-Klan protest at which protesters shouted "Black power!" doesn't explain anything about the Black Power movement or how the protest in the video relates to that movement. Nor is there any rationale for why that single recent protest gets a four-sentence paragraph when the years-long, international Black Lives Matter movement gets a single sentence. See WP:PROPORTION. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:46, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RFC at Fred Hampton page[edit]

There is a Request for Comment at the Fred Hampton article which may interest folks at this page. You are invited to participate! GPRamirez5 (talk) 18:54, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Racist slant[edit]

After reviewing the "peak in the early 1970's," section, I argue the information here is almost entirely false. It's been established that Black Panthers were accused of crimes they did not commit in pursuit to destroy the party through COINTELPRO. There is no mention of this, the accusations are described as fact. The sources cited for this section are almost all from news papers, no substantial academic peer reviewed material. This is a bias/point of view/uneven distribution of information in this writing that is not neutral, violating the wiki neutrality rules. If these accusations are confirmed in academic journals, I'll concede but I'm betting they aren't. Yves Brady (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link this article to the one about COINTELPRO? Also, do you have a list of peer reviewed articles? If you have any in mind, it would be very helpful. Jahasrad (talk) 07:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Black liberation movement/Black power movement[edit]

Why does it say this movement is over, it may have weakened but it still exists. There are organizations that derive directly from this movement or refer to it

Leadership Bias[edit]

This article has an overrepresentation of Black, male leaders in the movement. Could this be addressed by adding information about leaders and members from other identity groups? NWoodard25 (talk) 04:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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