Talk:Birkenhead built-up area

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A question[edit]

What is the point of this article? It seems likely to lead to confusion, given the many other articles that exist on Birkenhead, Wirral, etc.. The fact that one organisation uses this as a statistical area does not justify the creation of a new (and very poorly explained) article. Views? Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well how else can you identify built up areas. If you look at them they are those with 40k plus and Birkenhead isn't part of the Liverpool Urban Area. It is a sperate area like the Tamworth urban area goes into Lichfield District which Tamworth isn't part of and the Rhyl and Prestatyn area. They are just articles I don't see your confusion and misinformation concerns. They are from a reliable site and can have their own articles. And Ellesmere Port isn't in Wirral but Cheshire and Birkenhead is in Merseyside. So the article covers an area which exists. RailwayJG (talk) 11:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you suggesting that every different statistical definition of an area needs to have a separate article? The answer is to have fewer articles - which create confusion, especially when they are not adequately explained - and explain the differences in definition in the text. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:04, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to dredge up this old discussion, but have to agree this doesn't meet notability guidelines imo WP:NCITY: "Census tracts, abadi, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable.". The article also only has one source. I'm thinking about proposing a merge into Birkenhead. Orange sticker (talk) 15:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Birkenhead has a population of 80k plus. And the wider borough of Wirral is partly in that area. Yes articles can be made for them as if they are identified in the urban area england article. Then they can have their own pages. They are simply covering urban areas. There's no confusion. And the link on there again is reliable they are built up areas not sub division built up areas. I seriously don't see your problem. And no it's not a case of fewer articles. Its more articles. Each article covers built up areas. If I made an article for example Durham it would be deleted as there is no urban area. However I made one for Accrington and rossendale and they are urbanised areas. The same with Burnley and Pendle. And Telford and Rhyl which are urban areas. There's no difference in defenitions. As they are just covering an urban area. The gender make up ethnicity and religious make up. They help to identify buas which are linked in the list of urban areas in England article. They form important centres of economic and growth. Teesside Blackpool and Bristol are some examples they are urban areas and towns and cities. They have built up area articles. So I make articles which are based on bua maps. The website is reliable as it recorded the population in 2011 census and the identified urban areas like Greater Nottingham Sheffield and Rotherham and Sunderland urban areas. RailwayJG (talk) 12:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And Birkenhead urban area RailwayJG (talk) 12:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see this article as any more confusing or unneeded than Liverpool Urban Area on the opposite side of the Mersey. Indeed, Birkenhead Built-up area was know as Birkenhead Urban Area until 2011. This is a current urban area, rather than historical areas which have merged over the years to become one conurbation. Compare with London, Greater London, London metropolitan area, Inner London, Outer London, City of London etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John B123 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you John for your input and I agree with you RailwayJG (talk) 17:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If the consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography is to keep this and similar articles, OK. But please try to make sure that such articles are accurate and helpful - I had to edit your article quite substantially to get it to make much sense, and your paragraph above, in this thread, is incomprehensible. No-one is saying that the NOMIS information is not "reliable" - just that it doesn't need to be set out in a separate article when there are already articles in which the definition can be explained. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a discussion somewhere where it was decided this shouldn't be merged to Birkenhead where it's already mentioned? I get that it covers other places but that isn't a reason not to incorporate it in another article. I don't see this article growing to become anything other than a few sentences describing the bounds of ONS-generated area and regurgitating some census data.----Pontificalibus 16:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article's creation is what prompted the whole Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#New articles on built-up areas discussion Eopsid (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]