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Fiery cross → Ku Klux Klan -- Delete because Fiery cross is only linked to from KKK costume, which itself is a poor-quality, redundant article that has been nominated for deletion. KKK costume has the flavor of POV Klan self-promotion, and the title of Fiery cross is likewise POV. (If there was a necessity for such an article, which there isn't, a more appropriate title would be something like "Ku Klux Klan cross burning.")Bcrowell 17:02, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Not a really good redirect. Delete. — Stevey7788 (talk) 06:17, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This has been reset to point to Cross burning, which I think is a reasonable target. I think we should leave it, because otherwise someone else may write a duplicate article at this title (see #keep #2). Noel (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This article is needed for the original use of the term. In spite of the fact that the term is used in unsavory contexts, it has a historic use that needs to be treated in its own article.--Wiglaf 06:53, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It should be united in one article. Just because one meaning is racist and another decidedly not so, doesn't mean that the content should be forked. Compare the treatment in our featured Swastika article.--Pharos 19:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point, but I think that the original non-racist use covers objects that are so decidedly different from burning static crosses, that they should be treated in different articles.--Wiglaf 20:03, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fiery cross, really?[edit]

I stumbled on this article while trying to verify claims by KKK that the burning of crosses is an old Scottish custom...

and this page really disappoints me. It refers at best to partly charred sticks, certainly not to burning crosses... I mean, the closest to a cross you get from crann tara is if you translate it as "staff that goes across" or something similar. Also, while the use of summoning tokens is fairly well attested in the Scandinavian world, and it is credible that the custom would have been adopted in Scotland... it still remains that the article is pretty much unsourced, (or uses sources dubious enough that one wants corroborating data).

Also, one might like to know how come that a "gathering/traveling stick" in whose original name is no mention of either fire or a cross comes to be called "fiery cross" in English... Either somebody is pulling wool over our eyes, or the origins of such a misnomer ought to be made clear. --Svartalf (talk) 09:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the article to "Bidding stick" based on usage in English sources because "Fiery cross" seems highly misleading, not only because the item as discussed here was generally not cross-shaped or on fire, but also because of the KKK and the cross-burning link. I've also added some synonyms with sources. Although "Fiery cross" is legitimate (per Merriam-Webster: "1 : a cross of wood partly charred and sometimes stained with blood formerly carried from clan to clan as a rallying signal in the Highlands of Scotland — called also crostarie 2 : a burning cross; especially : a burning cross used as a symbol of the Ku Klux Klan") it is also too culturally specific, given that it only concerns Scotland, whereas this article includes Scandinavia and the only image is in fact a Finnish one. Doremo (talk) 04:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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