Talk:Beuthen Jewish Community

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During World War II Beuthen's Jews were herded into a ghetto

This is simply not given by the source. Beuthen/Bytom is only mentioned twice in the presented book (and only in footnotes) and it's only mentioned that a transport from Beuthen arrived at Auschwitz on 15 February 1942. In general Ghettos didn't exist inside Germany, they were established in the occupied territories. Unless someone presents a source clearly stating a Jewish ghetto existed in Beuthen the article is rather a case for deletion (the fate of the Jewish congregation should be included in the Bytom article). HerkusMonte (talk) 11:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust Home Page [1] provides a list entitled Ghettos & Other Jewish Communities, among them

Amsterdam
Bedzin (Bendsburg)
Belzyce
Berlin
Beuthen (Bytom) brief info
Biecz
Bielsko (Bielitz)
Bochnia
Borek Falecki
Braila, Rumania
Bratislava
Brody
Brussels
Brzeziny (Lowenstadt)
Bucharest
Buczacz, Poland
Budapest
Busko-Zdroj
Chernovtsy
Chmielnik
Czestochowa
Czortkow
Dabrowa Tarnowska
Dombrowa Gornicza
Dresden, Germany
Drohobycz
Dzialoszyce
France (UGIF)
Frystzak
Glusk
Gorzkowice
Grabow
Grodno, Poland (Belarus)
Harbin,_Manchukuo
Hrubieszow
Izbica
Jaslo
Jezow
Kalusch, Poland (Ukraine)
Kamiensk
Kielce
Klodada (Tonningen)
Kolin
Koln (Cologne), Germany
Kolo (Muhlental)
Kolomyja (Kolomea)
Koniecpol
Konskie
Konskowola
Kosow Lacki
Krakow
Krasnystaw-Izbica
Kroscienko (II)
Krosniewice
Kutno
Lagow
Lancut
Lentschutz (Leczyca)
Lodz (Litzmannstadt)
Lomzha
Lowenstadt (Brzeziny)
Lowicz
Lublin
Lukow, Poland
Lvov (Lemberg)
Mainz
Michalovce
Miedzyrzec Podlaski
Modliborzyce
Nadworna
Nowy Sacz (Neu-Sandez)
Nowy Targ (Neumarkt)
Obodovka
Oleszno
Olomouc (Olmutz)
Olpiny
Opatow
Opoczno
Opole
Osjakow
Ostrowiec
Otwock
Ozorkow
Pabiance
Pacanow
Pajeczno (Pfeilstett)
Piaski Luterskie
Piotrkow Trybunalski
Piotrowice
Plonsk
Potok Zloty
Prague
Praszka
Przedborz
Przemysl
Przysucha
Radomsko
Ranizow
Rawa Mazowiecka
Rejowiec
Rohatyn
Rowne
Rozwadow
Rzeszow
Sanok
Shanghai
Sokolow Malopolski
Sokolow Podlaski
Sosnowiec
Siedlce
Siewierz
Stanislau
Staszow
Sterdyn
Tarnogrod
Tarnopol
Tarnow
Tilburg
Tlumacz, Poland
Tomaszow Mazowiecki
Tonningen
Tschenstochau (Czestochowa)
Vienna
Vilna
Warsaw
Wegrow
Wieliczka
Wisnicz Nowy
Zagreb
Zbaraz
Zdunska Wola
Zelow
Zloczow (Zolochev)
Zychlin

The seal of the Jewish post office at Beuthen [2] reads something like this (please correct the spelling if necessary):

Judische Kultusvereinig * Beuthen O/S

There was a Jewish administrative unit in Beuthen for sure, with a separate post office of course. However, I agree that caution needs to be exercised here, and I edited the article accordingly. Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 16:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The linked page is called "ghettos and other jewish communities" and desribes Beuthen as

Beuthen was a town in Silesia. After 1945, it became Bytom, Poland. Although there had been a medieval Jewish community in the town, the Jewish population did not begin to grow until the early 1700's. By 1932, the Jewish population was about 3,500 (3.77% of the total population. During Kristallnacht, the synagogue and many Jewish stores were destroyed. By 1939, many Jews had left leaving a population of about 1,300 Jews. By 1942, most of the remaining Jews were deported, primarily to Auschwitz

it's not claimed the Jewish Community of Beuthen lived in a ghetto.

The linked letter has a brand "Jüdische Kultusvereinig." - meaning "Jewish Cultural Association" simply identifying the sender, it's not a seperate Jewish Post office. However it would be WP:OR to say, there's a Jewish Post Office, there must have been also a ghetto.
There was a Jewish Congregation in Beuthen, off course, and they were the first to be deported and murdered in Auschwitz, but a GHETTO simply didn't exist in Beuthen.
We might call the article "Jewish Congregation of Beuthen", which would need a lot of work to be expanded or delete it and mention the fate of the Beuthen Jews at Bytom. HerkusMonte (talk) 18:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I made the necessary changes and moved the article to a new title supported by my Google search results. The Beuthen Jewish Community had its own secretary dating back at least to 19th century,[3] so the article should be OK now. Thanks for helping out. --Poeticbent talk 20:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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