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there is a complete misconception of the names[edit]

In Germany we do not have nobility anymore since decades. Translating our names like "könig" to "King" just shows a lack of knowledge. With the same logic you would have to translate "Mond" to "Moon" and so on. So there is no duchess or duke in Germany, these are just names, nothing more nothing less. Stop translating names just because you smell nobility. Embarrassing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:7A:340:6B08:45D7:6689:BD82:5B18 (talk) 05:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with my previous speaker. First of all, Mrs. von Storch's last name is von Storch. The von is part of her name and should be repeated throughout the whole article. Second, her maiden name is Herzogin von Oldenburg and nothing else. Since the end of the German empire, there are no more royal titles in Germany. The ancient titles have become ordinary parts of the last name. It's true that if there was still a monarchy in Germany, Mrs. von Storch would have been born duchess of Oldenburg. As this is not the case, her name at birth was Herzogin von Oldenburg and cannot be translated. --Hein Mück (talk) 03:54, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If we are not going to follow the normalized custom (but not policy) of referring to pretenders and their families by their titles, then we should at the least refer to them by their legal surname and not an English translation of that name. Right? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:38, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nillurcheier: @Mathglot: As it seems to have already been the consensus per above, I see no issue in using the legal name in German, as that is her legal birthname. So instead of having "born Duchess of Oldeburg" we should have "born Herzogin von Oldenburg". That is her legal surname. Does anyone oopose? And if so, why? Per MOS:NAMES using née in lieu of born is also acceptable. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Willthacheerleader18: If that is really her birth name, then I have no objection. However, it's an unusual enough situation, that it would requre a highly reliable source (preferably two). It would not be enough, for example, to add citations to German publications that refer to her that way, if we can't tell whether they are using a title or a legal name; so no amount of citations merely referring to her that way would suffice. We would need a source that specifically says that that is her birth name. Preferably in English, as this is en-wiki, but if nothing is available in English, then in German. If you can add a couple of such citations, then I have no objection. Mathglot (talk) 22:07, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Willthacheerleader18: Are you following this up? Mathglot (talk) 08:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot: Yes. I am on vacation but have been editing for some wikiprojects, but will follow up with this ASAP. Thanks for the reminder. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:15, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Willthacheerleader18:, Reminder. Mathglot (talk) 07:07, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The second ducal wedding within six weeks took place yesterday in Eutin. Duchess Beatrix von Oldenburg (39) gave the bridegroom to Sven von Storch in the Eutin castle." [1] -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry[edit]

That's a nice vertical tree you got there. I like it, but it could use some explaining. It is not obvious, that 12 and 30 are the same person, but they are. That should tell you a lot. The German version of the article obfuscates this information even more. Foreign blood is obviously not welcome everywhere. If you ever happen to meet her, ask her about the number of her great-great- grandparents. HINT: The number should be sixteen. But not everybody is so lucky. I would really love to see her reaction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:8940:47BC:2424:EEAB:DFF4:A547 (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It may be "foreign blood" for you, but all these rulers: Greek, Russian, British - were of German origin, if you briefly read their biography, therefore for her, a German ethnic nationalist, these are distant German relatives, not foreigners. Although in the same World War I, relatives fought: Uncle Willy fought with his nephews Georg and Nikolai, who are cousins to each other. 109.254.254.156 (talk) 05:29, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Euphemism "pied"[edit]

She was attacked by a violent left-wing group. "Pied" sounds more like approval of such behaviour.80.131.52.22 (talk) 02:55, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's stupid. If I said someone was shot instead of saying they were killed, am I expressing approval? It is the more accurate and specific term.

2601:600:A37F:F111:9430:DEFB:89E0:2F6C (talk) 20:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Too much ancestry[edit]

It is also repeated. Let us delete the one in the intro. Zezen (talk) 09:22, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I concurr, its not of big importance to know her ancestry compared to her politics Catgirl-su (talk) 16:13, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Location of the ancestry tree[edit]

As it stands, it looks like it is in the controversy section.

2601:600:A37F:F111:9430:DEFB:89E0:2F6C (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It should be moved to the Family background section Catgirl-su (talk) 16:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Done. Helper201 (talk) 03:01, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]