Talk:Ballet (music)

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"The Haarlem Tulip" and "Boris Fitinhof-Schell"[edit]

On 11th August 2006, user:Mrlopez2681 added the section about the obscure ballet "The Haarlem Tulip" and the even more obscure "Boris Fitinhof-Schell". I can find only one reference to him - did he ever exist? This text was lifted almost verbatim from an Amazon review of "Raymonda", written originally on January 13 2006, and so is a copyright violation. It was of course Tchaikovsky who was the first symphonist to write a full-length ballet (1877). Huge areas of ballet music history are omitted from this article. What about Lully's ballets, and the fact that from about 1750 to 1830 most ballets were merely short interludes in operas? I am tempted to do a major edit, cutting out the Boris Fitinhof-Schell part, but I will pause first to allow others to comment.Ogg 09:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-written the history to be more inclusive, to remove the (non existent?) obscure composer Boris Fitinhof-Schell, and to avoid text that might have been taken from the article on Minkus.Ogg

Copyrighted text[edit]

I've just removed a copyright violation (added with this diff) which conveniently was added with a link to the source text. I don't think any of it was incorporated elsewhere in the article. --Keitei (talk) 09:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Ogg's statement[edit]

I'm the one who wrote the article on amazon, and Im also the one who wrote the stuff you deleted. I dont think it is a copyright violation when the creator copies his own stuff.

Unfortuately I never got around to finishing this article, and I actually forgot about it to tell you the truth. Why not leave writing articles about certain subjects to people who know it intimately.

Fitinhof-Schell was the first symphonic composer to ever score ballet music, and was a classmate of Tchaikovsky's.

Why on earth would I cite a man that never existed?

--Mrlopez2681 03:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article[edit]

This article is not comprehensive enough and seems to almost give incorrect information. I don't believe that there wasn't symphonic ballet music until Tchaikovsky (Delibes' "Syliva" was criticised for being too symphonic). "Following the initiative of Tchaikovsky, ballet composers were no longer writing simple, easily danceable pieces." - Ballet music before Tchaikovsky wasn't necessarily simple. Take, for example, Drigo who wrote ballet music before Tchaikovsky and who collaborated with Petipa after Tchaikovsky's death. There is also no information about Paulli, Helsted, Holm and other such composers and their collaborations with Bournonville and how they differed from Petipa's collaborations. I also believe that Vietinghoff-Scheel is an important figure in classical ballet music, as is anyone who collaborated with Petipa more than once. There is also no statement that specialist ballet music was in strict vogue at the time and such music was judged on its vastness of melody and rhythm. This article needs serious attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.98.140 (talk) 16:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Composers[edit]

I see a list of composers with no apparent sorting. Unless you just add at the end, it seems to be something like date of birth. I suggest to give at least the life data, if not the titles of a few works. The list is not really helpful as it is, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not only is there no evident basis for sorting (I advocate reverse-alphabetical by third letter in the given name, rotated to start with L—unless someone has a better idea), but there is no evident basis for inclusion. The article says that ballet began in the mid-17th century, but I see very few 17th or 18th-century composers in the list (none at all, actually), and several very recent ones of doubtful notability as ballet composers (Ferde Grofé? really?).—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]