Talk:Back That Thang Up

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Requested move 12 March 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move buidhe 10:08, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Back That Thang Up → Back That Azz Up – "Back That Azz Up" is the common name of this song. A Google search returns 473,000 results for "Back That Azz Up" and 111,000 results for "Back That Thang Up". High-quality reliable sources tend to use "Back That Azz Up", including Copyright in a Global Information Economy published by Wolters Kluwer and Groove Interrupted: Loss, Renewal, and the Music of New Orleans published by Macmillan Publishers. The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit court decision regarding this song, Positive Black Talk Inc. v. Cash Money Records Inc., also used "Back That Azz Up". — Newslinger talk 21:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. buidhe 20:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - the secondary sources used in the article don't agree with your conclusion. It charted as "Thang". WP:GOOGLECHECK can be unreliable, easily misinterpreted, and/or biased. The court document is primary source and should be used with great care, and so shouldn't be taken into consideration for this purpose. -- Netoholic @ 05:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added the secondary book sources to the article. Both of the books cover the court case. As the Billboard charts are primary sources, these books are currently the only secondary sources in the article. — Newslinger talk 06:40, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Billboard is not a primary source. They are reporting on both the title of the work and on its relative performance ranking as gathered by them from primary sources. Also, those book sources only discuss the context of the specific court case, they do nothing to provide evidence of COMMONNAME in the wider sense. Billboard sources do that. -- Netoholic @ 13:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Chart positions are numbers obtained from a formula that takes raw sales, airplay, and streaming data as inputs. They are primary sources, not secondary sources, because there is no editorial input involved, and no "analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources". All four of the Billboard citations in Special:Permalink/945324293 link to Billboard chart positions (which are primary) and not Billboard articles (which are secondary). Billboard isn't even consistent with the name of the song for their chart positions, with this Juvenile chart page and this Mannie Fresh chart page both using "Back That Azz Up".

    I've added more reliable secondary sources using "Back That Azz Up", including Rolling Stone (RSP entry), Pitchfork, BuzzFeed News (RSP entry), and the Los Angeles Times (RSP entry), to the article. I've also added a Billboard article that uses "Back That Azz Up". Currently, all of the secondary sources in the article use "Back That Azz Up". — Newslinger talk 03:48, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    A fair handling of this would have been to not WP:CHERRYPICK sources which came up in a keyword search, but to represent all coverage of this topic in your sources. When I voted, I did a search myself and found that most sources (not included in the article, but available) both make a distinction between the versions, and recognize "Thang" as the most popular and recognized version. Leaving my vote as it is. -- Netoholic @ 13:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

genre[edit]

may we PLEASE add as genre 'hip hop' & 'dirty rap'? Monkeylady999 (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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