Talk:Asian hornet

Update needed

Suiii chives of scramship by battalion josh isn’t a sigma he’s a baiter!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.248.29.99 (talk) 13:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

1. The UK Government DEFRA Agency has this as their #1 threat to UK biodiversity, because they have checked the French outbreak and are concerned that after wiping out bees, these things wipe out all other insect life - the only limit to their growth, per DEFRA presentations I've been present at, is food supply. The low priority is therefore questionable.
2. I note that the UK and French Governments have standardised on the term Hornet for these: you might wish to review your sources for terminology, in that hornets are a sub-family of the Vespidae (Wasp) family with that distinctive nomenclature.
3. You seem to have chosen to exclude comments about their lethality: France reports at least 8 deaths and a number from Japan, which needs to be verified as it may be confused with deaths caused by the Giant Asian Hornet. Please review this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 20:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

First, an article's importance in a given WikiProject is not necessarily representative of the subject's status in any particular country (Wikipedia is international). Second, do you have specific sources we can cite? Lastly, are the deaths from this species demographically significant or just extremely rare events? (about 640 people died from bee and wasp stings in the U.S. between 2001 and 2011 for instance, but we don't necessarily need to list every statistic). We also want to be aware of unbalanced recentism. Cheers, --Animalparty-- (talk) 20:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

1. I haven't been able to find the claim of #1 threat to biodiversity in the documentation coming from the National Bee Unit or Non Native Species Secretariat (of APHA (ex-Fera) the agency I'm guessing you are referring to). If they have started talking about them in this way they have yet to publish which makes it difficult to add this information. Low importance in insects, mid importance in Vespidae seems reasonable to me. 2. I prefer Asian Hornet as the common name (Genus Vespa = hornets) but am not sure about the global usage. 3. The number of deaths in France, although unfortunate, are not remarkable in terms of numbers. There are on average 5 deaths per year in the UK from bee/wasp sting reactions so the recent focus on the numbers of the deaths in France is media sensationalism. Phil Northing (talk) 18:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Use as a food by humans

To add to article: apparently the larvae are eaten as a food in China's Yunnan province (and perhaps other places as well). 173.88.241.33 (talk) 22:42, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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Why Asian predatory wasp?

"Asian hornet" is a direct copy of the French name "frelon asiatique" which is simply used as a descriptive term for a hornet from Asia which is now invasive in France. Regardless of the origin, Asian hornet is a more commonly used common name. Search on Google, ~19k vs ~95k results, often both names together, but ~75K where only "Asian hornet" is used - and a lot of the hits of "Asian predatory wasp" are caused by the use on Wikipedia, obviously. In comparison, the commonly used old name "yellow legged hornet" has only ~15K hits. That is a lot less, but "yellow legged hornet" has 243 scholarly articles "Asian predatory wasp" has 15 scholarly articles "Asian hornet" has 291 scholarly articles According to google.

So, what is the reasoning behind this particular choice of name as the name of the article? 2.104.41.248 (talk) 22:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Good question. Certainly "Asian Hornet" seems to be the more regularly used common name. Looking at the only article cited by the first editor of this page (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6049302/Tourists-warned-as-Asian-hornets-terrorise-French.html) the first image calls it "An Asian predatory wasp" which you could argue is descriptive rather than a common name. Perhaps they used that as the title and it stuck on the page. As I mentioned in an earlier comment here I prefer "Asian Hornet", but am not familiar enough with the wikipedia convention of changing the title of pages. Why not just change it and see! Phil Northing (talk) 19:22, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Had a go at the page move as when looking at google search in particular years "Asian predatory wasp" only seems to be used after this article was created! Previously both asian hornet and yellow-legged hornet had been used. May have made a mess of the double redirects though :( Will have another go later to try and fix Phil Northing (talk) 19:56, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, the Wikipedia system is a bit of a mystery to me, so I wouldn't want to mess up the article by editing!.2.104.41.248 (talk) 13:36, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

I believe another reason for the new name popping up was to distinguish it from the Asian giant hornet which is occasionally featured in popular media. The predatory wasp name doesn't make some people mistakenly think of this giant hornet species. I don't necessarily object to the move back to the original name, but I do think the name yellow legged hornet would have been better in this context, even if it is the less frequently used name. Weebro55 (talk) 18:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

distribution

Its on Guam baby! 101.99.181.204 (talk) 01:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Body size - inaccuracies

The description of worker & queen sizes seems inaccurate to me. Incidentally this started with me catching a worker of 25mm body length yesterday. Generally recent research seems to agree that there is no obvious or clear size difference between workers and queens in Vespa velutina, as Monceau (2012) [1] indicates that it is "not possible to morphologically differentiate foundresses from workers". Instead dry body mass was used by these authors to differentiate the different castes". Wing shape/size and specific other measurements can also be used to identify different castes in Vespa velutina, as other authors show. [2] [3] but this might require a relatively extensive description for a wiki article. Generally however, body size itself is inaccurate and does not seem to be used to determine between queen and worker. If body size is to be used, there seems to be some difficulty in finding a commonly accepted length - with lengths ranging anywere in the 20-30mm range. The following datasheet (using measurements of invasive specimens in Europe) indicates a variable body length between 17 and 32mm [4] FieldsBob (talk) 12:20, 4 October 2023 (UTC)