Talk:Arab Christians/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 11:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review. The reassessment will follow the same sections of the Article. Thank you --Whiteguru (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

 

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Observations

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

   HTML document size: 520 kB
   Prose size (including all HTML code): 89 kB
   References (including all HTML code): 275 kB
   Wiki text: 133 kB
   Prose size (text only): 45 kB (6918 words) "readable prose size"
   References (text only): 36 kB

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• Are all Lebanese Arab Christians?

Y further clarification of the different sects and views JJNito197 (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• went to Rosary Sisters Schools → implies a person is a Christian. Is this a reliable fact?

Y clarified with 'accepting of all faiths' addition JJNito197 (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• Attendance at Holy Spirit University of Kaslik. → does it follow this university accepts only Christians?

Y clarified with 'accepting of all faiths' addition JJNito197 (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• attending the Jesuit College of St Joseph in Beirut → accepted only Christians?

Y clarified with 'accepting of all faiths' addition JJNito197 (talk) 13:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• Consider Mayada El Hennawy. Is she an Arab Christian? Ditto, Nassif Zeytoun. Consider Toni Qattan. The article says he is from Jordan; no mention of religion.

Y removed El Hennawy, Zeytoun (will find source and reinstate), Toni Qattan. JJNito197 (talk) 13:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• Reference 73 does not seem relevant.

Y removed JJNito197 (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• Reference 179?

Y removed JJNito197 (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

• The history section is uncharacteristically slim.
• The history section links to itself. Clarify.

Y The history section stretches from antiquity to diaspora, the sentence under the header is supposed to summarize this. I have updated the sentence as a segway to the subcategories (antiquity, islamic era, modern times) JJNito197 (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• The Academia section references solid Arab Christian contributions.
• The Entertainment section is not as solid as the above. It appears to be name dropping of entertainers.

Y expanded on achievements as requested below and trimmed JJNito197 (talk) 13:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• The difference between Academia and Entertainment is that the achievements and contributions are mentioned. Ditto Politics and Press. Both good sections. Consider.
• Religious Persecution and Regional conflict sections are handled well.
• The notables section is not well handled. It may benefit from thinning out the many names and inclusion of contributions to human flourishing.

Y expanded on individual achievements as requested and trimmed US politcians JJNito197 (talk) 13:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• the use of Koine Greek in liturgy ... an important distinction.

Y clarified in lead JJNito197 (talk) 13:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• Greek clerical hegemony: there was coverage in the Press.
• The "demotion" of the Patriarch has been ruled uncanonical by Patriarch Bartholomew, and is not recognized by any Orthodox Church; it has only been (imposed) by the Synod of Jerusalem. Consider.

Y clarified per request JJNito197 (talk) 13:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• The section on Assyrians. If they are non-Arab, why include this section?

Y major trim, merged as chaldeans and assyrians are linked historically, +photo to clarify this JJNito197 (talk) 13:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• State of Palestine: The Vatican and the Catholic Church → are one and the same thing. Drop Catholic Church.

Y done JJNito197 (talk) 13:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

1. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

• Page created 8 July 2004
• Page has 224 watchers
• Page has 5,362 edits by 1,264 editors
• 90 day page views = 344,670 with a daily average of 491 viewers.
• Lot of bots on this page, Anomie Bot, Smack bot, Citation bot, Internet Archive bot.
• Majority of edits to this page occurred in 2021; 1,301 edits

1. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

• 31 images on this page.
• Infobox Image = File:IconJonArab.JPG = template without license parameter: please specify why the underlying work is public domain in both the source country and the United States

Y Changed to more stable image JJNito197 (talk) 10:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• File:New Ghassanid Banner.png
• File:Hunayn ibn-Ishaq al-'Ibadi Isagoge.jpg = template without license parameter: please specify why the underlying work is public domain in both the source country and the United States

Y removed and replaced with stable imageJJNito197 (talk) 11:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• File:BashirChehab.jpg = copyright issues; author attribution is needed;

Y Changed to more stable image JJNito197 (talk) 10:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• File:Cyrine AbdelNour 66ème Festival de Venise (Mostra) 6.jpg = tits and ass, hey? Can't see the relevance of this image. Remove it.

Y Changed to more stable image JJNito197 (talk) 10:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• File:Nasif al-Yaziji.jpg - accepted; more than 70 years after death
• File:Photograph of Maryana Marrash2.jpg = template without license parameter: please specify why the underlying work is public domain in both the source country and the United States

Y removed imageJJNito197 (talk) 13:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• File:Algunos miembros de Al-Rabita al-Qalamiyya.jpg = taken in 1920. (from Robin Waterfield’s The Life and Times of Kahlil Gibran). There is a CC-by-SA copyright release which is not sourced to the author.

Y fixed image, added author JJNito197 (talk) 10:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

1. Overall:

• We need to resolve the issues with images mention directly above;
• At a glance, there appears to be too many images on this page;

Y done, trimmed images JJNito197 (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• It is observed in the Entertainment section that there are too many names without contributions

Y done JJNito197 (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• The sections under Arabian Peninsula (Kuwait, Bahrain, North Africa, etc.,) might be profitably condensed into two or three paragraphs;

Y done JJNito197 (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

• This article makes a valiant effort to capture a very broad swathe of Arab Christians, their works and diaspora, in addition to notation of the different communions and orthodox communities with a well laid out table of the differences between these ecclesial communities. A little cleaning up, drop some superfluous pictures and condense some material will see this go to GA status. --Whiteguru (talk) 11:48, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Whiteguru, thank you for your helpful review. I will address all these concerns asap and make revisions as requested. Kind regards JJNito197 (talk) 13:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Whiteguru Hello, I have covered all things in this review. Please let me know if there is further issues. Kind regards JJNito197 (talk) 22:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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@JJNito197:

• Thank you for your work.
• The History section opens like so: The [[history of Arab Christians]] coincides with the [[history of Christianity]], (click the link; it loops back to itself)...
• Here you have the History section linking to itself. Consider.
• Neat work on the infobox; looks much better, clearer and functional.
• Very good work on the images, and the page layout looks so much more attractive.
• That table on Denominations is utterly valuable and will become a major reference for students of Orthodoxy and Early Christianity. Well done.
• The corrections are complete; kindly take a look at the history section linking to itself. --Whiteguru (talk) 00:38, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, its been almost a year tweaking! Onceinawhile added the table and I agree it is very helpful for students. Kind regards, JJNito197 (talk) 00:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 

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