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RfC on whether to mention Ronald Reagan's response to Apartheid in the lead section of his bio

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ronald Reagan#RfC. Sdkb (talk) 05:45, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I feel like it should be added along with the opinions of other world leaders. GonzoTribune (talk) 03:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of the country infobox

Hello all. Over the past couple of months, I've noticed that the country infobox has been repeatedly added to this article. This is seriously problematic, because this is an article about a defunct legal system in a nation-state which still exists (the Republic of South Africa), rather than an article about a defunct nation-state or polity, which appears to be the assunption as of late. An article about a series of laws passed between 1948 and the early 1990s is not the same as an article about a former country which existed between 1948 and the early 1990s. Again, to reiterate: apartheid was a legal system, not a country. I have removed the infobox - bizarrely, it was located in the "Society" section of this article, which has no relevance to that infobox anyway - and cannot endorse its re-addition to the article without at least some kind of discussion here on the talk page. --Katangais (talk) 06:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

It's perfectly fair to have an infobox. Post-apartheid South Africa is in their third republic following independence from the United Kingdom in 1961. South Africa's first (1961-1984) and second (1984-1994) republics/constitutions both upheld apartheid, which is relevant to the article. And I honestly see no reason why it shouldn't be on this page. Pretty much every country has articles for the previous republics. Nigeria's first republic has its own article when it only lasted 4 years. Apartheid was a legal system at the least. It was the law of the land and pervaded every facet of life. Which is why I also think it is fair to keep it in the "society" section until further notice. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 03:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

None of that makes "Apartheid" a former country. Zaian (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. The Republic of South Africa still exists, albeit with a new constitution and massive changes to its government and politics in 1994. Apartheid was not a country, and if we accept this reasoning, then this page is not an article about a country. The country infobox remains inappropriate. --Katangais (talk) 01:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Defiantly would say that The Republic of South Africa (1961-1994) is worthy of its own article, with its very own country infobox of course. But I can see why placing an infobox here may not be appropriate. --Theimmortalgodemperor (talk) 05:51, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Feedback on Draft:First Republic of South Africa

I'd appreciate some feedback on Draft:First Republic of South Africa. In reviewing it, I am unclear about whether it's needed. It could be merged into this article. Is there a need for it? There's been prior discussion (see talk history) about the focus of Apartheid. The once-proposed History of South Africa in the apartheid era is slightly broader than just the legal system, and even the current discussion about the country infobox reflects this current lack of clarity. Greenman (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

I support this request right now, this article should be made because it had a different political system Mhatopzz (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Never thought this article was needed. South Africa has never formally declared a second republic, making use of the term "First Republic of South Africa" rather redundant. If we're going solely by constitutions, then we have to accept South Africa has had three republics - one in 1961, one in 1983, and one in 1994. This is problematic because "First Republic of South Africa" includes the 1983 period in its summarization. That leaves the third option: that this is a purely subjective designation used by contributors who wish to have a separate article for South Africa as it existed during the National Party era from 1948 to 1994. Covering the whole period from 1948 to 1994 is an issue for those who espouse this view because it was technically the Union of South Africa prior to 1961, which is not interchangeable with "Apartheid South Africa" since part of the Union era predated National Party rule. The alternative thus, is to create a separate article for the Republic of South Africa as it existed from 1961 to 1994, a period in which the country could correctly be described as being under apartheid in some form or another. Like I said, this is problematic because it's a subjective point of view. It basically boils down to people wanting a separate article for South Africa in the apartheid era, which I'd argue is redundant (to this article) and like I said, rather subjective. --Katangais (talk) 15:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Looks really good! Definitely should be made an article. Is needed. --Theimmortalgodemperor (talk) 06:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

"Europeans only" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Europeans only. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 9#Europeans only until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk page archive problem

I wondered why extended-confirmed protection had been applied to this article so I looked at the Talk page, but the earliest edit appears to be from May 2021. So I tried looking in the Talk page archives, but the most recent addition to Talk, in Archive_8, appears to be July 2017. Anyone know where the intervening four years of Talk are, and how to make them available? Clark42 (talk) 21:30, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Somehow there is both a Talk:Apartheid/Archive_8 and Talk:Apartheid/Archive8, and only the older one is listed. It's probably got to do with how User:Lowercase sigmabot III archives the page, but I'm not sure how to sort it out. Zaian (talk) 06:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah. Archiving of this page was broken during that time. It was fixed by this edit in January 2021 and since then Archive8 has been created but not linked up correctly to the list. I've merged them now and I will check if the archive bot creates Archive 9 in its next update. Zaian (talk) 06:44, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

from 1948 until the early 1990s

Didn't Apartheid ended in South West Africa/Namibia in 1990 and South Africa in 1994? ColorfulSmoke (talk) 06:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

There is an annotation in the article which explains the date: "the Population Registration Act, 1950, the basis for most apartheid legislation, was formally abolished in 1991, although the country's first non-racial government was not established until multiracial elections held under a universal franchise in 1994." - htonl (talk) 07:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

apartheid

what was the main of The prohibition of mixed marriages and immorality act? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.116.157.241 (talk) 14:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

You are probably looking for this page here: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)