Talk:Anton Geiser

Đak-Selci and its location

Trying to locate the town of Đak-Selci in present day Croatia turned out to be a bit of a challenge, because one source (Joe Pinchot at the Sharon Herald) noted in two places that the town could be found in western Croatia. In order to maybe find the town I enlisted the help of User:Domjanovich who is himself Croatian and active on hr; I know this borders on WP:OR. The following conversation (which I've spliced together from our two talk pages) occurred:

Help finding a town in Western Croatia?

Hello Dome, I see that you contribute on hr. I was wondering, can you help me find the following town in Croatia: Đak-Selci ? This is to help with the Anton Geiser article. He was born there, when it was Yugoslavia. But I cannot find it on a map. It is small, I think. I think it may be in Western Croatia? If you can help I would appreciate it.

Thank you, Eniagrom (talk) 19:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, first I am sorry for my pore english and long delay of answer. I hope this [1] will help you about your article. Only thing I can say about this is that Djak-Selci in your source is shorter version from the full name of village Selci Đakovački (Đakovački Selci-Djak Selci), near Đakovo city. Word Selci is common in Croatian and litteraly means Village while word Đakovački means near by Đakovo or belongs to Đakovo. So put them together and they mean village (that is near/belongs to) Đakovo. --Domjanovich (talk) 12:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the information! The only thing that is confusing to me: the sources I have for the town (which are US sources) say the town is in western Croatia, but the town of Đakovo seems to be in eastern Croatia. Could there be another Đak-Selci somewhere? It is possible that the US sources are incorrect ...

Thanks again for your help. Eniagrom (talk) 13:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Please name the source that claims western Croatia, because I cant find that fact in text that you put as source for place of birth. If the source claims western Jugoslavia then fact is corect, because 1924 all Croatia (land) was in western part of Jugoslavia. Croatia was part of several Jugoslavia(s) till 1990 and was allways one of western lands in it. --Domjanovich (talk) 14:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. Yes, you are right, the particular source we footnoted does not say Western Croatia. However, some of the other sources do:

• Geiser was born Oct. 17, 1924, in Djak-Selci, a town of about 1,600 in what is now in the western part of Croatia. He was reared on a farm, without electricity or machinery, that grew wheat, corn and potatoes. He had one brother and three sisters. [2]
• Geiser is an ethnic German who grew up in a part of Yugoslavia that is now in western Croatia. He was drafted into the German army at age 17 and made a member of the Waffen SS under a German policy of conscripting ethnic Germans into military service. [3]

However, both of these sources are by the same author. It seems likely that he simply misunderstood -- your explanation (western Yugoslavia) seems much more likely. Eniagrom (talk) 20:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Since Joe Pinchot claims court documents as the source of his western Croatia claim, but those sources do not in fact specify western Croatia but simply Croatia, and since all of present day Croatia is in what was once western Yugoslavia, it seems relatively clear that a mistake was made. I know it's pretty close to original research but I think in this case it improves the article enough for WP:IAR to apply.Eniagrom (talk) 05:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

He just died!

Can someone update this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.91.233 (talk) 22:06, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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