Talk:Angourie Rice

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Angourie's birth date[edit]

This Wikipedia page says born c. 2001, while every other place on the internet it says born January, 1 2001. I have addressed this, but the page gets reverted to the last version - two times. I have found out her birthday. No need to take it away. That's really her birthday date. Do not remove it. Please. --NRKfan (talk) 23:07, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:RS. Details such as date of birth need to be referenced to reliable sources. None of the attempts to add her date of birth have yet included one. If, as you say, there are lots of places on the Internet that give this information, please include one as a source. But do make sure it's a reliable source. HiLo48 (talk) 23:20, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's probably really not her birthday. The sources previously used so far listing 1/1/01 as her birthday in the article rely on user-generated content and then internet bots are responsible for the proliferation of all the other sources repeating the same incorrect information. MartinezMD (talk) 02:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proof it's 01/01/01 Scenarioschrijver20 (talk) 18:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't do the last revert, but those don't seem to be reliable sources. I suspect most are just mirroring each other. I tried finding out more on those websites but most don't even have an "About us" link. When adding information about living people, there is a higher standard required WP:BLP. MartinezMD (talk) 19:07, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
They certainly aren't. I would encourage Scenarioschrijver20 to review WP:BLPPRIVACY – bottom line: we don't not record exact WP:DOBs for WP:BLP, unless they are widely published in high-quality Reliable sources. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I found a source from Seven News that says her birthday is January 1st. Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now that looks like a good source, and furthermore it adds interesting information on the person - like from where their name originated. MartinezMD (talk) 16:50, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Personal website[edit]

@TheMovieGuy: The personal website stuff is not notable, unless shown to be by (significant) secondary coverage. This is similar to a situation in which an actor "sings", but in which we don't put down "singer" in the article because that's not what they're primarily known for... Unless you can show that's significant with some secondary coverage, it should stay out. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@IJBall: Good point. TheMovieGuy

Black Mirror[edit]

Based on Rice's relatively young career and the significance of her role in the season finale of Black Mirror, it makes sense to include it in her lede. There are several other examples of actors—with varying degrees of fame—whose ledes include their roles in Black Mirror, including Gugu Mbatha-Raw, Tuppence Middleton, Chloe Pirrie, Jesse Plemmons and Alex Lawther. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minnesotasteve (talk • contribs) 20:36, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose – Black Mirror is perfectly fine to mention in the 'Career' section; but it's far too trivial to mention a one-episode appearance in the lede of BLP. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:58, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - agreed, one episode in a series not suitable for the lead. MartinezMD (talk) 00:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

needs a new picture[edit]

article image is too blurry to be of any use Toonsip (talk) 17:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We can only use the images we have, and which are allowed to be used under Wikipedia's Non-free content policy. Right now, the current image is all we've got. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rowspan in Filmography[edit]

The filmography should be using rowspan just like all other filmographies. No, it is not a violation of WP:STYLEVAR and rowspanned years are shown in an example in WP:FILMOGRAPHY. It is simply not necessary for the year 2017 to be displayed 3 times in the year column as it can be simply rowspanned. It’s also easier to read since all of a year’s respective works are grouped together with the year. This shouldn’t be controversial or even worth having to discuss on a talk page but a certain editor puts their personal preferences over silly things like consistency, visual clarity, readability or simplicity. LagoonMoon (talk) 03:42, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is much, much wrong to what is claimed above. First, the actual wording from WP:FILMOGRAPHY is "Use of rowspan formatting in "Year" columns (ex. #2) is acceptable..." (emphasis mine) – note that the wording is "acceptable", not "required". There is no requirement that rowspan be used in the 'Year' column at all, many (most?) Filmographies do not rowspan the 'Year' column, and even that exception for rowspan in Filmography tables is controversial and is not universally supported with some significant opposition to it (see WT:FILMBIO archives for more on this).
Second, the first WP:FILMOGRAPHY example, in fact, does not use rowspan, which again proves that its use is optional.
Third, WP:STYLEVAR does in fact apply precisely in this case – Sometimes the MoS provides more than one acceptable style or gives no specific guidance. The Arbitration Committee has expressed the principle that "When either of two styles are acceptable it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change." In fact, WP:FILMOGRAPHY provides for more than one style, and there should not be a switch from nonrowspan-to-rowspan without a discussion first, and a new consensus established, when there is an objection.
On my end, I oppose using 'rowspan' in the 'Year' column in the Filmography at this article – table readability is the most important factor to consider, and rowspan in the 'Year' doesn't actually improve readibility, until you are rowspanning multiple rows (i.e. more than 2 or 3) – rowspanning years is generally a lot more desirable in 'Awards' tables where there are often 5–10 awards and nominations given to someone in the same year, or in the case of someone like Eric Roberts who sometimes appears in a dozen or more different projects within the same year. That is not the case for Angourie Rice who only appears in 1–3 projects per year. Rowspanning year does not improve table readibililty here, and is probably a net negative. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:07, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your response perfectly demonstrates a lack of recognition for personal biases. There was a lot of mental gymnastics without providing any clear evidence-based explanation. Despite you writing that “it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another”, you yourself have reversed the previously rowspanned filmography on this very page so you are not adhering to your own standards. You have also made an active effort to remove rowspanning on other pages like Maya Hawke such as here and here where you simply state your personal preference as being a given that everyone else must accept. The filmography on this page was rowspanned before until you remove it and it should be restored to the previous rowspanned version.
Secondly, what planet are you living on when you say that rowspanning doesn’t improve readability? There is no need to have duplicate years across multiple rows in a table so they should be removed. Having less unnecessary text in a table improves readability by definition.
LagoonMoon (talk) 05:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And blocked as a sockpuppet. Not that any of that undermines anything I said above against use of rowspans in many Filmography tables. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:34, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And, for any future editors, whether or not this issue goes one way or another, we often follow WP:BRD to avoid edit warring where an issue reverts to its original state until resolved by consensus. MartinezMD (talk) 01:53, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. And, FTR, the rowspan wasn't added until this edit (which also included other undesirable changes) by the now blocked Xselant, so I have simply been restoring what had been the WP:STATUSQUO at this article for years. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Main picture[edit]

Someone please change the picture. It's so pixilated 2A00:23C6:4B42:F301:ACE3:ADD9:3BE9:30C9 (talk) 22:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

She can also Sing & is credited on a Soundtrack[edit]

Angourice Rice sings in the 2024 Musical Comedy film Mean Girls & is credited as a Singer for certain songs at the end of film during ending credits (I saw the 2024 Musical Comedy film at a Movie Theatre on Monday January 15th 2024). Also, she is credited as a Singer on the Wikipedia Page for the Soundtrack of the film ..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_Girls_(2024_soundtrack) for being more specific on that page look here (Specifically at Tracks 2, 4, 9, & 12) ..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_Girls_(2024_soundtrack)#Track_listing As well as here ..... https://screenrant.com/mean-girls-2024-soundtrack-guide-every-song/ & also here she is credited on the Soundtrack .... https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2ABi5dBePPM7B3v4eTnWzD & here .... https://www.universalmusic.ca/press-releases/mean-girls-movie-soundtrack-out-now/ As well, as other Websites she is credited on the Soundtrack for Singing in the film. BloodDraco (talk) 14:20, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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